Dredge - Stone Summit

[Aladar]

Well, it's concievable that if they dug the whole way to Cantha, they would be strengthened by the ordeal and come out stronger than when they started. The reason I don't believe the Stone Summit are committing large amounts of troops to this is because we see no indication of it. Beyond the forces of Sorrow's Furnace, we don't see Stone Summit engaging anyone but other species who wander into their territory.

The Kurzicks are at odds with the Dredge because the Kurzicks are mad at them for invading Echovald. The Dredge are mad because the Kurzicks continue to kill them, without heeding the requests for a truce. That is the point of contention between them, according to the quests.

Oh, that's right. Well then it makes perfect sense why the Kurzicks and Dredge are at odds.

As for the first response... I suppose that makes sense... Although if they are stronger now, why not just travel back through the tunnels and fight back at the Stone Summit?

[Quintus Antonius]

As for the first response... I suppose that makes sense... Although if they are stronger now, why not just travel back through the tunnels and fight back at the Stone Summit?

It's a psychological thing. Why didn't the majority of slaves in the South during the antibellum period rise up? They were much stronger than the whites who enslaved then. It's because the uprising that did occur, while mildly successful in some cases, were put down so brutally, and any slave that stepped out of line was beaten half to death. Thus, the others became meek and afraid, content to endure their hardships, lest they lose their lives.

It's the same in the game. The Dredge are afraid. Physically they can destroy the Stone Summit, but mentally, they are still weak. They still think of themselves as weak.

Think of the example of Chief Bromden from One Flew Over the Cuckucoo's Nest. Although he was a huge man, and could easily lift something such as the tub room control, in his own mind he was small, weak, and physically incapable, and thus he could never rise up against Big Nurse.

The Stone Summit have won the war with the Dredge because they have won the war in the minds of the Dredge.

[Cyberman]

Regarding the "dig" issue: Anyone read the manuscript? ;-)

I have a translated(german) version, so I´ll retranslate the important parts:

The mole-like dredge on the northern continent of Tyria("nördlicher Kontinent von Tyria")...

In Echovald of Cantha, a few small colonies desperately defend their freedom. They are the descendants of a few refugees from Shiverpeaks, who dug several hundred mile long tunnels("mehrere hundert Meilen lange Tunnels"), to reach their strange new home.

I have added two parts in the original german, as their meaning is ambiguous.

The first sentence seems to imply that Tyria(the continent) is north, while Cantha is somewhere else(south?). Is that backed up somewhere?

It is also mentioned that their tunnes are "several hundred miles long" - can anyone with an english handbook check that?

[Gmr Leon]

The offspring of a few desperate escapees from the Shiverpeaks who tunneled for hundreds of miles to reach their strange new home, these Dredge have no reason to feel any friendship toward human or anyone else-they escaped slavery on their own,and plan to establish their race anew in the petrified woodlands.

That's straight from the Factions Manuscripts. Also,does anyone feel like going on an expedition into Sorrow's Furnace after this?


Oh and about Tyria being to the north: The Angchu Tengu of Cantha have long been cut off from their kinfolk to the north-though Canthan merchants travel frequently to Tyria, few take along Tengu passengers.

Again,that is from the Factions Manuscripts.

[Santax]

If they were to "dig" to Cantha, this raises a few more questions, some of which have been asked before.

First off, we don't know how far it is from Tyria to Cantha, but it would seem that it is within "digging" distance for a race of mole people. This would also seem to indicate that they have dug under seabed, which, if you didn't know, is the hardest kind of bedrock. To escape the Stone Summit, they would have had to accomplish these amazing feats of digging in a fantastically short amount of time. These guys have some serious buck teeth.

It is roughly 100 miles between Tyria and Cantha, but an ocean seperates them.

[Quintus Antonius]

It is roughly 100 miles between Tyria and Cantha, but an ocean seperates them.

Where did you get that measurement? NPCs such as the Canthan merchant in Lion's Arch speak of months-long journey's through trecherous waters.

[Arkhan The Black]

They also claimed that Shiro committed suicide before but they decided to change that to cut down. So the size of the tunnel is kinda an open issue.

[Docho]

Is it perhaps possible that the Dredge didn't dig their way all the way to Cantha after there enslavement but that they allready had a BIG tunnel network stretching (or almost stretching) all the way to Cantha?




(Off topic: I don't know why but I would love Anet making a campaign about the Dredges and their hidden marvelous rock-cities with underground streams, lights blinking through the windows of their houses in the pitch dark(I'm fantasising) and the end of the main story would be a batlle at the center of the Earth (or however you call that in Guild wars) <-It makes me think about "Journey to the center of the Earth"<-Jules Verne)

[shadow the hero]

The Stone Summit have won the war with the Dredge because they have won the war in the minds of the Dredge.

"Fear Cuts Deeper then a Blade"


It is possible that the Dredge Found a Old Tunnel From Deldrimor dwarves Who had been in Canthan before them (Read The Aurious Mine Info)

[ShadowSword]

The lorebook states that the Dredge have allied themselves with the Wardens and I thought that was what led to the contention with the Kurzicks.

They must have been the first ones the Dredge met and since they wouldn't have been in any kind of state to fight, probably asked for an immediate alliance.