Actually, yes. Since you are applying Christian religious views here, I will respond with Christian teachings. The Bible teaches that God is a god of not only holiness (love, mercy, etc) but also a god of order. In sinning, you not only violate this order but also go against the basic priniciples of order on which God founded the universe. The opposite of order is obviously chaos, and sin induces this chaos. That is what happened to Adam and Eve in committing the original sin in the Garden of Eden. By allowing sin into the world that God had originally created without sin, they had allowed chaos in, and chaos is insanity.Originally Posted by Cornerstone
In fact, sin is described as a sickness of the soul. The word insane, when broken down into its Latin origins means in- or not, and sanus healthy.
To go against the order of God, and more importantly, to go against something omnipotent, would be considered insanity in its truest form.
I have to agree with the insanity of Shiro theory. Not only by his actions, but by the very creatures created by them. They are morphologically and biologically twisted beyond scientific comprehension. HP Lovecraft, the master of horror insanity often used this kind of mutation of the body to represent the monsters a person began to see as he was driven to madness. Shiro, like many have already said, is madness personified.Originally Posted by Cornerstone
Think of the Elder Scrolls series' Daedra Lord Sheogorath, only with two swords and no pocketwatch.
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14-06-2006, 01:23 #71|||Quintus Antonius Adepphius Philologus Tyrianicus Canthacus Elonacus Durheimus|||
14-06-2006, 01:39 #72
I like itOriginally Posted by Cornerstone
The fact he did not want to kill the Emperor, that it was not part of a deep plot to make him the most powerful sorcerer in the world, and the fact he acted on impulse, make him a human character, in my opinion. I disagree completely with the guide, but other than it, both the trailer and the in game cinematic hint to the same direction - Shiro did what he thought he had to do. His fear of death was so big he killed the Emperor, only to not only die, but to be turned into an Envoy, constantly taking people through what he feared so much. No surprise that he grew insane, as we see in game, or that his plot, the storyline of the game, is just his quest to become mortal again - losing much of his power in the process, but finally getting rid of his fears.
It makes the character less one dimentional, it explains why he did what he did in the game, and it makes even for a plot twist. I definitely think it doesn't need to be changed.
14-06-2006, 01:43 #73
I don't think the guide needs changed, or anything that says Shiro is "evil". The Manuscripts and guides are written from the majority point of view on a character. To most people in Cantha, Shiro is in fact the devil, and killing an emperor would be more than enough to be considered evil. To anyone becoming aquainted with the story of Cantha (as we are), you would be told that Shiro was evil. You have to take that into consideration.|||Quintus Antonius Adepphius Philologus Tyrianicus Canthacus Elonacus Durheimus|||
14-06-2006, 02:27 #74
I'm wielding the Spear of Bitter Mercy and a Gambolpuddy!
I'd like to say that Raymond E. Fiest is a fiction writer and that to say "evil is madness" is not absolute. Many people have opinions, and I respect that. Though I cannot comprehend any sane reason as to why a man would keep a child in a cage for over 14 years (To name an example I heard on the news a few years ago.)
Forgive me, but wasn't it yourself (Cornerstone) who posted the Guide Book's explanation on why Shiro killed the Emperor? Something about how Shiro studied forbidden lore, gained tremendous power, and it eventually corrupted him?
Are you saying that that discription is how it should be? And the cutscenes are contridictory to this?
Ah, I think I just answered my own questions.
14-06-2006, 02:42 #75
...Originally Posted by Transcendent Clarity
14-06-2006, 17:15 #76
I think Shiro became insane/evil after he died, that's why he wants to become mortal again. But, what confuses me is, why is shiro an envoy?
14-06-2006, 17:42 #77Originally Posted by Zayren
14-06-2006, 19:14 #78
14-06-2006, 19:29 #79
NiceOriginally Posted by shadow the hero
I'm not doubting you (quite the opposite, that makes perfect sense and it's a cool idea), but I have the feeling there's an extra source of lore about Factions that I haven't seen yet, so I'm wondering what is it.
14-06-2006, 22:16 #80