I responded because I disagreed with your point about them being forms of negative reinforcement.Originally Posted by ReverendLoki
MagicMoedee: Like waffle, I do not support animal rights. In fact, given the idea of animal rights in its values which waffle has described, I am probably quite hated by animal rights supporters… I eat meat, wear leather or utilise items made from leather, take prescribed / OTC drugs when needed - ie supporting pharmaceutical companies that test / have tested these medications on animals, have pets etc.
Ju Smurph: Waffle isn’t saying clicker training is the only option (actually, no-one has - but your posts revolving around the clicker not working suggest so). Chances are, if the pit-bull attacks someone, it is down to owner irresponsibility, lack of socialisation and poor training rather than the fact the dog is just plain “aggressive“, as they can make good family pets. Their original use was for aggression towards other dogs so they could be used in bull and bear baiting and then dog fighting, but in dog fighting, it was a requirement that the ‘ref’ could step in and pick up one of the dogs without being bitten, so had to be good natured towards humans, else they would be culled.
The stereotypical pit-bull owner being a very much chav or scally type character - who most likely use choke chains to train/walk and probably keep it on their pets at all times because of their image - no wonder it becomes aggressive!
Incidentally, a lot of pit-bull attacks are actually mis-identified given that several recognised breeds fall under the pit-bull category, and as such owning them is restricted or outlawed in many countries due to their versions of Dangerous Dogs Acts.
Gaaendaal: Haha - I just had to google that one to try and see! But then I got angry over a couple of things that came up - e.g. cat attacks toddler, so family shoots other cat.
Anyway, I have a nice scar running down my Cephalic vein (that important wrist vein!) after breaking up two cats having a punch up… my own fault though, and one of my workmates had some nice scratches on her face and chest after her cat went a bit schizo (sp?) at a cat show… I think it was a loud noise that scared it.
And they’re not evil (much) lol - it’s just that dogs have masters and cats have slaves :P
Loki - do you reckon ArenaNet have read up on the Monkey King? I was reading the link and just seemed to think of Factions.