was looking on wiki and here for some answers about the gods and afew more lore stuff.
now i got a few more questions unansweared:
in wiki it is sayed that after compliting creating tyria balthazar, dwayna and meldarun have gone to the rift or something like that,now:
1. what about grenth/dhuum? why didnt one of them go there to?
2. did grenth defeted dhuum, before or after the creation of tyria? aswell it is said that grenth ROSE up how can he rose up he is a imoortal god...
3. why there are 2 gods of death?? i mean how come there were to made?
4. is dhuum part of the 5 old gods and grenth is part of the 5 true gods or dhuum isnt part of any of them?
5. dhuum is considered a "bad guy" but he didnt do anything exept be the death lord and being defeted
6. what about lyssa? why didnt she went to the rift aswell?
7. how can menieze be balthazar half brother? (not sure about this info)
8. exept of being the lord of destruction fif menize didnt anything bad that he was expeld of the gods? (arg grammer)
9. hoe can 2 gods be brother in other words did someone created the gods?????????
and another few lore and ingame lore questions:
1. why in elona lyssa is many times refered as lyss?
2. what exactly is the difference between the rift and the mists?
3. is all the places that are now avalable through the chantry of secrets is in one fo them?
4. is the gods realms part of the rift/mist?
5. is there a realm for each god? if so only the realms of grenth and balthazar are in such trouble they need our help?
and for a nice closing i have just recently found about that the word abaddon
is very similliar to the word avadon wich in hebrew means doom (hebrew/israel FTW) and then we got the got dhuum (ahem ***doom*** ahem)
anyone know if meniez means doom in some laugwich (arg spelling).
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10-12-2006, 22:03 #1
a few gods questions
10-12-2006, 22:44 #22. what exactly is the difference between the rift and the mists?
4. is the gods realms part of the rift/mist?
You can find answers (or at least hypothesis) about a lot of those questions in these lore forums, it takes quite a time to read it all but it is worth :)
11-12-2006, 00:19 #3
1) All of the old gods, or our current pantheon, retreated to the hall of heroes, which is central to the rift. this means Grenth did indeed go there. while Dhuum is not a member of the pantheon any longer, his current habitat may well be somewhere else in the rift.
2) it is most likely to be after the creation of tyria. tyria is said to be the first world created by our pantheon, and if there wasn't a world, then where would souls come from for dhuum to mistreat?
3) Grenth is the current god of death and ice. Dhuum WAS the god of death BEFORE Grenth. he was replaced by grenth. there were never two gods of death at the same time.
4) Dhuum is not part of the pantheon... any more.
5) Dhuum was an unjust god. that included soul torture etc. he starts torturing souls once again when he gets the chance in the nightfall campain.
6) She did, as far as i know. All of the gods no longer walk amoung mortal men, but can interact through their avatars, as well as subtler means.
7) Noone knows where the gods came from literally. since our current pantheon was predated, they could have been children of an older race, like the greek gods. that particular twist was inspired by greek mythology.
8) Menzies quite probably never was a member of the pantheon. he is not a god exactly, perhaps a lesser deity. he is the lord of destruction, and his "bad deed" is trying to take over the fissure of woe, kill Balthazar's followers, the eternals, and help Abaddon later on.
9) quite possibly. noone knows. they may have been children of the pantheon that predated them.
1) It is simply a writing style- a shortened proper noun. just like "Vabbi" was probably the basis for "the grand forum of Vaab".
2) the rift is more of an "area", with the hall of heroes at it's center. it includes such popular holiday destinations as the fissure of woe, and the underworld. the mists, meanwhile, are more of a "concept". they bind everything together. they are less.... actually there, if you get what i mean.
3) the realms of the gods would be in the rift.
4) part of the rift.
5) it's quite possible the other gods have realms that are simply not in trouble right now, but it's just as possible they don't. it lets ANet be able to impliment something later on, or not feel guilty for not doing so.
11-12-2006, 06:59 #4
11-12-2006, 08:42 #5
Like Menzies (speculation) or Kormir, Grenth was most likely a lesser being before defeating Dhuum and stealing his essence like Kormir did to Abaddon. Also, two brothers once tried to do the same to Grenth, but he banished them and turned them into the Twin Serpents.
It is likely that Dhuum's unjustice came in the form of the Realm of Torment. It appears that this is his realm, or at least, a product of his reign as god of death. By unjust, they most likely mean he tortured souls and sent everyone to the Realm of Torment.|||Quintus Antonius Adepphius Philologus Tyrianicus Canthacus Elonacus Durheimus|||
11-12-2006, 12:53 #6
1) what lesser being was grenth before he destroyed dhuum? aobviosly not a humen.
2) how did he got his essence if he isnt dead? like what happend iwth abaddon at the end of the game?
3) how can a mere mortal defete a god????
11-12-2006, 18:02 #7
1) he could have been something like Menzies is, who is trying to take over from Balthazar right now. it's not said solidly, though.
2) this is also into speculation. it's likely that Grenth had power over death, like dhuum, but the souls were being sent right to dhuum as he had his tower and title. it's proven in the nightfall campain that souls can be diverted, so they may have just been sent right to him. another possibility is that it doesn't take a death to release essence, if indeed that's what it took to make Grenth what he is today.
3) First of all, Abaddon was chained down, with his power severely reduced at the time of the battle. secondly, it's possible that the gods have a few aspects like those of the Norse gods- like defeatability.
11-12-2006, 18:39 #8
11-12-2006, 18:49 #9
My simple answer is that the gods are similar to daedra and aedra from the Elder Scrolls. That is, they can be defeated, but they cannot be destroyed. When defeated, their essence, so to say, is reduced back into a dormant form which can then be used by other creatures to get their own power. In Morrowind, the Tribunal used the Heart of Lorkhan to make themselves god. The difference between the two series, Guild Wars and The Elder Scrolls, is that in the Elder Scrolls, daedra, aedra, and mortal gods (like the Tribunal) are clearly seperated, whereas in Guild Wars, there is no such deliniation. Once a god, you are a god, in Guild Wars, it doens't really matter how. So we have no real way of knowing if any of the gods were always gods, or if they pulled a Kormir and became gods by absorbing the undying essence of an older god.|||Quintus Antonius Adepphius Philologus Tyrianicus Canthacus Elonacus Durheimus|||
11-12-2006, 19:04 #10
Well, we know that mortals can become gods. I think we can deduct one of two things by Menzies relationship with Balthazar.
1. Balthazar was a human, half-brother of menzies that became a God later on.
2. Balthazar was born of some older God and one of his parents had an encounter with a human later on.
By this way of thinking, we can tell that Balthazar is not the original God of War and Fire.
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