a few gods questions

[Quintus Antonius]

At the creation of the world (Tyria), I would say the gods were Dhuum, Abaddon, Balthazar, Dwayna, Lyssa, and Melandru. I say this because the scriptures of Grenth don't even come until late A.E, which may suggest he wasn't around, and also, Doric did not encounter Grenth in Arah. While it has been suggested he simply was not there (was in Cantha, or other such areas), it may also be likely that he simply was not a god at the time. Also, the Ritualist profession would have originally worshipped Dhuum, before Grenth "reformed" the profession. It says they worshipped and drew power from the spirits of their ancestors. Even if they aren't directly worshipping a god, they are indirectly drawing power from the one who holds swaye over their ancestors.

[evil cheas]

Well, we know that mortals can become gods. I think we can deduct one of two things by Menzies relationship with Balthazar.

1. Balthazar was a human, half-brother of menzies that became a God later on.

2. Balthazar was born of some older God and one of his parents had an encounter with a human later on.

By this way of thinking, we can tell that Balthazar is not the original God of War and Fire.

i missed you quite there how do you know balthazar was humen because he has a brother?

[evil cheas]

Arah was once home to the gods Balthazar, Dwayna and Melandru while they shaped the world of Tyria. was written in wiki under the name arah.
now where is lyssa and dhuum/grenth?
btw Quintus Antonius where can i see all the scriptures?

[Zaa Nayazu]

I'm not saying he "is/was" human. My opinion, for lack of better word, is that in order for Balthazar to have a half-brother who is "not" a God, Balthazar either had to pull a Kormir on another God or he was born out of some older god parents. Later, one of them pull a greek god stunt and got a human woman pregnant, hence why Mnzies is the "half-brother" of Balthazar.

I realized now that I should have put an "or" between the 1 and 2. Sorry if that is the reason why it throws people off.

Either way, my conclusion, or what I'm trying to say is, that Balthzar, like Grenth, is not one of the original Gods, some one came before him.

[Quintus Antonius]

The Scriptures can be found on any statue of the gods, such as those in the Temple of Ages, in Tyria, or the Chantry of Secrets in Elona.

[NameAlreadyInUse]

Also, the Ritualist profession would have originally worshipped Dhuum, before Grenth "reformed" the profession. It says they worshipped and drew power from the spirits of their ancestors. Even if they aren't directly worshipping a god, they are indirectly drawing power from the one who holds swaye over their ancestors.

You know, this makes a lot of sense. We know that one of Dhuum's transgressions was in abusing spirits of the dead, right? If he was the first true 'patron' of ritualists it may help explain why ritualist spirits seem to be both chained up and in a tormented state all the time.

These people aren't just calling upon the souls of their ancestors to aid and comfort them, they are foceably binding them to do the bidding of the ritualist.

Contrast that with the nature spirits of Melandru, who just look like the druid creatures for the most part and have no chains forcing them to obey the will of anyone.

Thanks QA, I'm looking at the entire ritualist profession in a new light here.

[evil cheas]

pull a Kormir

i just love this phrase

The Scriptures can be found on any statue of the gods, such as those in the Temple of Ages, in Tyria, or the Chantry of Secrets in Elona.

then how do u know that the grenth scriptions appeared only some time after all the other gods?

You know, this makes a lot of sense. We know that one of Dhuum's transgressions was in abusing spirits of the dead, right? If he was the first true 'patron' of ritualists it may help explain why ritualist spirits seem to be both chained up and in a tormented state all the time.

These people aren't just calling upon the souls of their ancestors to aid and comfort them, they are foceably binding them to do the bidding of the ritualist.

Contrast that with the nature spirits of Melandru, who just look like the druid creatures for the most part and have no chains forcing them to obey the will of anyone.

Thanks QA, I'm looking at the entire ritualist profession in a new light here.

that is absolutly right! love this theory!

[aptaleonII]

the Apostate tells us that the gods were predated. perhaps our current pantheon were children of the older gods, or rose to become deities after the older gods died... who knows?

[evil cheas]

At the creation of the world (Tyria), I would say the gods were Dhuum, Abaddon, Balthazar, Dwayna, Lyssa, and Melandru. I say this because the scriptures of Grenth don't even come until late A.E.

how do u know that? havent seen it anywhere

which may suggest he wasn't around, and also, Doric did not encounter Grenth in Arah.

again how do u know?

the Apostate tells us that the gods were predated.

predated translate pls dunno what that means. btw why did he shift sides?

[Gmr Leon]

Predated basically means before. In that sentence it means that there were gods that predated (before) the current Pantheon we know of.

Quintus is assuming that since both Abaddon and Dhuum were later cast down. We see Grenth in Dhuum's position and now Kormir in Abaddon's position.

The next bit you quoted is straight from the Prophecies Manuscripts.