Holy Veil vs Purge Signet.

[Nazpharoz]

Just wondering between thus skills inside GvG.
I used both with my monk, and founded both have their flavors and drawbacks. I use myself a kinda LoD/Infuse monk inside GvG's and wonders what other thinks about these skills.

Holy Veil
Enchantment spell. Usefull for taking off 1 hex every 12 seconds and for Pre-veiling.
Pros;
- Pre-veiling
- 5 energy cost to cast
- 12 seconds recharge
Cons;
- Taking off 1 hex only at a time
- can't be cast when you are hexed with shame
- triggers anti-enchantment hexes
- pre-veiled target can be stripped

Purge Signet
Signet. Usefull against hex pressure builds for taking off many hexes and conditions at the same time for 10 energy a hex and condition.
Pros;
- Can be cast when you are hexed with shame
- Takes off many hexes at the same time
- Can be used against conditions, but not very usefull for this job
- It's a signet, cost no energy to cast
Cons;
- Cost 10 energy for each hex and condition you toke away from target ally
- 20 seconds recharge
- Doesn't trigger Divine Favor
- Can't be used as pre-veil
- 2 sec casting time

I started to use Purge signet after we fought some hex pressure builds. Also see enough top-guilds use Purge Signet, not that that change me to use that signet also.
I fought a euro-spike yesterday what used 3 mesmers with diversion chains and some knockdowns... Against them I would be better off with Holy Veil instead off Purge Signet.
I see myself a bit more flavor in hly veil then with purge signet, but not sure why some (can be read also as most) use purge signet above holy veil and wonders about the reason why you choosed for holy veil or purge signet.

- Fianty Hybrid

[Natus]

I rather Veil, don't like the energy loss from Purge Signet.

[DarkZeal]

Veil is good because it's proactive and can remove a cuircial hex before it gets covered. Purge is good if you're facing heavy hex pressure and good at weapon swtiching.

[B Ephekt]

Comparing the two is silly since they serve different purposes. Veil is pretty solid for pre-veiling and general purpose removal. Purge Signet is for removing hex or condition stacks (and pretty nice for removing daze).

Ideally you'd carry both if you expect to fight a lot of hex heavy teams.

I rather Veil, don't like the energy loss from Purge Signet.

So weapon swap?

[David Holtzman]

Take one purge on a monk, one purge on an off monk, and one veil. Minimum. Unless you like getting rolled by hexes of course.

[nightrunner]

Purge Signet removes all of the hexes on the target, which is great because it renders cover hexes useless. It won't trigger Shame, Spoil Victor, ect, though it does trigger Diversion. The key to using it is swapping to your low set first - it's essentially free hex removal if you don't have much energy.

The problem with it is the 2 second cast, which can be nasty if you need to get a hex off a monk fast. The 20 second recharge is also a pain.

[Dogbert]

You can use purge signet with mantra of inscriptions or mantra of signets and other signet enchancing skills. This is seldom used but could work out well on a prodigy e/mo.

[Ace Bear]

Take one purge on a monk, one purge on an off monk, and one veil. Minimum. Unless you like getting rolled by hexes of course.

Question: What about say, Divert Hexes on a monk, Expel on an off monk, maybe a veil on the other monk? Too much to little or what?

[B Ephekt]

Elites are generally humility fodder for hex teams. Divert is still nice in my opinion, but any hex team with half a brain will just humility-lock it. I'd rather not give up MoR or PBlock on a mesmer for Expel either, when a non-elite can handle it.

Divert and Expel can work, but I wouldn't rely on them completely as my primary means of hex removal.

[Resigned]

You can use purge signet with mantra of inscriptions or mantra of signets and other signet enchancing skills. This is seldom used but could work out well on a prodigy e/mo.

Just to clarify, you cant use Mantra with the aformentioned build because it is a mesmer skill and therefore unavailable to an E/Mo charecter. Infact i dont think there are any Signet buffs availale in the Elementalist or Monk Skill list, FYI