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    Mursaat in the Fissure of Woe?

    Forgive me if this has been discussed before, but I did a search and didn't find anything on it. Anyways, I was adventuring through the FoW with my guildmates not too long ago, when I suddenly realized that the structures in there resembled the Mursaat fortress on the Ring of Fire, particularly the Eternal Forgemaster's Forge, which appears to be made of the Mursaat's shiny purple whatever material.

    It made me wonder what the heck the Mursaat were doing in the FoW building structures, especially ones as integral to Balthazar as his Forge.

    This presented me with two possibilities:
    1) The Mursaat fortress isn't Mursaat: it was built by Balthazar's Eternals
    2) The Mursaat are more chummy with the gods then I ever realized

    I think the first possibility is quite possible, given the presence of 'Mursaat' architecture in the Realm of Torment. I believe it's officially stated that Abaddon's chains were forged by Balthazar. However, this doesn't explain the architecture popping up in various parts of Kryta, and from the description of the Mursaat city it seems that the architecture is, indeed, of Mursaat origin.

    So, is it possible that Balthazar commissioned the Mursaat to build things in his realm? Were the Mursaat former wardens of Abaddon's prison, judging from the presence of the Mursaat bridge in Abaddon's Gate?

    If Balthazar wanted the Mursaat to build things where he lived, then obviously the Mursaat were once involved with the gods. This would explain their presence in Torment - perhaps they were once slaves of the gods, similar to the Forgotten. (If the Forgotten and the Mursaat were once partners in slavery, this may explain why the Enchanted armour of the Forgotten looks very similar to the Mursaat).

    So, it would seem that the Mursaat were placed in a position of guardianship over Tyria. I'm sure many recall the story of King Doric, whose dynasty Guildwiki claims was placed in charge of guarding the Bloodstones. My theory? Doric was a Mursaat, and the Mursaat are the remnants of his dynasty.

    It makes sense doesn't it? Obviously the Mursaat and humans are closely related biologically; in fact humans may be the devolved descendants of the Mursaat. And, since Doric ruled over a unified kingdom including Ascalon, Kryta, and Orr, this may provide an explanation for why Mursaat architecture has been sighted in the Catacombs of Ascalon. And as Dwayna's favoured human, isn't it plausible that he was also held in high regard by Balthazar, who then asked his people to build his Forge?

    But I digress. I have no idea as to why Mursaat architecture is found in the FoW, but I think this is a plausible theory. So, what do you guys think of my first big post here? It's not old news, is it?

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    Actually it doesn't make sense, because those descendant from Doric are the Chosen, who the Mursaat kill on the Bloodstones. Also, we know Doric was a human, as he was the king of a human kingdom and his progeny are human as well. Now it is possible the Mursaat were once human too, but I do not believe Doric was a Mursaat.
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    Predecessor to the Mursaat perhaps? If they are Ascended, as you've suggested in your previous posts, then the Mursaat should be descended from Doric since, as far as I can tell, only the Chosen can Ascend and the Chosen are all descended from Doric.

    Hmm... so the Mursaat are killing their distant relatives...

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    I'm sorry, but it doesn't seem likely to me that a massive backstory was throught up and the only evidence given in-game for it was a slight similarity in architecture.

    Of course, as with most theories brought up here, it's possible, but a little more evidence will be required to keep it in MY mind.

    I do remember me, a while ago, it was taken for granted that the temple of Balthazar in the falls was of Mursaat origin, due to the architecture. It turned out that the temple was of Asura origin. I wouldn't regard theories very highly on architecture alone any more, i'm afraid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aptaleonII View Post
    I do remember me, a while ago, it was taken for granted that the temple of Balthazar in the falls was of Mursaat origin, due to the architecture. It turned out that the temple was of Asura origin. I wouldn't regard theories very highly on architecture alone any more, i'm afraid.
    That's not confirmed in any way shape or form. You of all people should know not to spread facts that aren't facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aptaleonII View Post
    I'm sorry, but it doesn't seem likely to me that a massive backstory was throught up and the only evidence given in-game for it was a slight similarity in architecture.
    I must say, I agree with you on that one. The animated texture for the fire inside the giant cauldron thing must have been difficult to edit or something so they just used the one from the Ring of Fire Island Chain missions.

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    It was stated that the Asura constructed great temples in the Maguuma, was it not? In a german magazine, or website, or interview?

    I'd say this is at least more evidence to suggest it is of Asura origin than we have to back the tenuous theory that the Mursaat did it.

    Or are you still backing that horse, Quintus? The poor horse is tired.

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    The magazine was Dutch and you are convienantly ignoring the part where it says they constructed them in a "recreated" Maguuma. One of the main tenents of history is to not trust other people's facts but find your own. So I recommend you translate the Dutch phrases yourself, like I did, and find your conclusions that way.
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    You yourself admitted you were basing your own conclusions on a possibly flawed translation. The man who found the article, who also happens to be a higher authority on the language than yourself, if i remember rightly, translated it to say that they were recreating IN Maguuma. This could easily mean that they were doing reconstuctive work in the real maguuma.

    It would make more sense to base our conclusions on a man who speaks the language more fluently than you or I. (Plus, it seems MUCH less likely that they would be making a recreation of Maguuma elsewhere.)

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    Except that there is a probable recreation of Maguuma in Sorrow's Furnance, where the Tomb of the Rubicon is found. Is it also a coincidence that the main villian of EotN is also located in a recreation of the Maguuma Jungle underground, where the Asura are said to live?
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