I've seen the original, but never read any of the books. The original 3 movies are okay-ish. The first movie was exciting, up to the point where it just ends abruptly. Atleast with Fellowship of the Ring there was some closure, and it was clear that more movies were needed to tell the whole story. But with the first movie in the original trilogy, its BAM, roll credits. And the finale of the third movie is simply disappointing. In my opinion, a bit overrated.
In fact, I don't understand the fuss about this whole trilogy. Yes, I know the author tragically died before he could taste his own success. But a lot of women seem to be just all over this trilogy. As if it is the most awesome revenge story ever told. But after seeing the movies, color me unimpressed. I was expecting something a lot darker. I have seen better and sweeter revenge stories.
Regarding Troll Hunter, I seriously do not understand what people like about that movie either.
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I saw all three movies back to back (the extended version that came on German TV last year) and I do not know exactly what was the ending of movie #1 & the beginning of #2. I just remember that the rape scene of Lisbeth (by her legal guardian) did not make sense after #1, as that storyline is picked up in #2.
Regarding the original millenium trilogy:
In the first movie Lisbeth takes revenge on her legal guardian after the rape, by tieing him up, and tattooing on his chest the fact that he is a rapist. She also shows him that she recorded the whole thing, so it is now she who has control over him.
This might just be me, but if you are a victim of rape, giving the guy who did it a tattoo (regardless of how bad you are at it) is a pretty weak revenge. I could think of scenarios a lot more dark. And you are correct, in the follow up movies she is brought to court. And much to the surprise of everyone, she has the whole rape scene recorded on video. Why is this a surprise? Didn't she already tell the guy that she taped it in the first movie?
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That should all be in spoilers.
SpoilerWe saw the original #1 and #2, and it all made sense. The thing is that she had good reasons not to kill him, I forget the details.
Is this about the new movie, the girl with the Dragon tattoo?
Saw the trailer here in America compared to the tailer on youtube, dunno if its swedish.
The American version seems a bit more boring compared to the foriegn ones.
I didn't see the American one... but I just don't see Craig as a good fit for the role as we know he's James Bond. Him getting beaten up by noobs is just not believable anymore ;)
leap from a crane, tumble down stairs, beat the hell out of someone in a toilet, and keep up with an expert in parcour (urban running). Thats one of the things I loved about Casino Royale by the way, they really don't go soft on Bond in that flick. They really made Craig work hard to make himself a credible Bond. But after all that, the role of a simple journalist?
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By the way, I find it hard to take seriously all the court "surprises" scenes we regularly see in movies ever since I was explained the concept of disclosure in "My cousin Vinny".
I'm a bit mixed on it. I thought it was a much better translation of the novel than the Swedish version of the films, but I was also kind of left with a feeling that having read the book, the movie didn't offer that much more to the experience. Then again, I have trouble judging book based movies on their own merits and usually find the movie lacking if I liked the book or at least read the book first. They left out some pretty big plot points, but probably they were for the better. What really gets left out though (which is true of most book to movie translations) is the inner dialogue or narrator tells that give a story it's flavor and helps the reader create the story in their own mind (whereas most movies don't leave much room for the viewer to interpret what's going on).
I thought Craig did a fine job, and I much preferred Rooney Mara's take on Lisbeth Salander to Noomi Rapace's (which was fine, but felt lacking to me as did the whole Swedish version of the 2 films (3rd one wasn't out on DVD at the time and I haven't gotten around to seeing it yet (on the other hand, I thought Noomi was great in the new Sherlock Holmes movie which I just saw last night (who doesn't love multiple embedded parenthetical statements?))))
4.5/5 stars with the caveat that I felt you would miss a lot if you hadn't read the books before seeing the movie and you need to keep in mind this is the first in a trio of movies.
SpoilerMaybe I should rewatch it, but I just checked themoviespoiler.com entry on the Swedish Dragon movie and it seemed to have a conclusion, you know what happened with Harriet, Mikael's got closure on Wernnerstrom. The only thing really left open endedis Mikael and Lisbeth's relationship.Spoilerand this is true in the American Dragon movie
I think the appeal of the books to women is how well it describes the many ways that women are abused in society while still having very strong female characters and strong male characters who respect them and aren't threatened by them.
As for the books' general popularity, the first was a fairly well done thriller, and when you add in the above plus the tragedy of the author, you have a pretty good mix to capture the public's imagination. Most people don't read anymore, so it takes a bit of effort to break into the public's attention span enough to really capture their interest, and once a book does that it can really take off because not only will it usually be a good adventure/thriller, but the general public can feel good about itself for reading something.
I really liked the first one the best. It seemed the most compelling, the characters weren't perfect but were fun to read about and the bad guy was genuinely bad and interesting. Terrible things happen but good triumphs over evil in the end. I think the second and third books suffered fromSpoilerbad guys that have mostly been done to death (evil anti-Semitic dad, gang members and corrupt government officials (super super secret ones at that!) without really bringing anything new to the table than a very kickass female protagonist.
SpoilerBased on the books, her new legal guardian, Bjurmann, is a sadist though he's not done much about it before meeting Lisbeth, he then rapes her and she uses it to control him. This is important in the sense that rape isn't really about sex but about power and control. In the second and third books, it turns out that Bjurmann was one of the few people who know about a very important Swedish State secret. In a sense, Bjurmann is the only way the second and third books could happen, to wit: he becomes her new guardian, rapes her, she retaliates, this eventually causes him to seek revenge, he then discovers his and her common link to aforementioned secret and contacts said secret for help in taking down Lisbeth which leads to his own death, the video of the rape later helps drive home the point that Lisbeth, contrary to the official documents about her mental state, has truly been a victim and has always acted with justifiable anger and action toward her tormentors. The rape helps to provide the hook for the rest of the books as well as reinforcing Larsson's themes of institutional and male abuse of women and of the ability of women to take control of their own situations.
SpoilerWell, it was a surprise to Lisbeth. She thought it was just going to be another blowjob. But more to your actual question, Bjurmann (the guardian) was killed long before they got to trial (at least he was in the books). Not many at the trial knew the video existed I'm pretty sure. I'm not sure you were trying to say this too, but why wouldn't everyone be surprised she had her own rape recorded on video? And it was pretty violent too (anal rape, asphyxiation, bondage).
I think you move too lightly over her turning the tables of control and power over Bjurmann. I think that was a big part of the point.
And also, she's still a ward of the state. She wants him to get her cleared as mentally competent so she's no longer a ward.
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