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    *lil Spoil* Cryptic Message (For those who like to decipher)

    Below is a message left by the 6 Human Gods to an Asura who seek to examine them scientifically.

    (Note: The Asura, being secular scientists, have a deterministic view on everything in the universe. Under this view, which they call the Eternal Alchemy, laws of nature and chains of events determine the future. This particular Asura is studying the 6 Gods, which he believes is also manipulated by the Eternal Alchemy.


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    That's not exactly "secular" you know =P
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    You prefer the term "Godless?"

    I find that term a bit biased myself, sounded as if you don't have a religion it's something not desirable.

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    No, ultimately they are just like any religious group, attempting to prove their chosen religion above that of the surface species. During the quest, he calls the Tyrian religious system inferior many times. Asuran are still deeply spiritual, they just look at it a different way. It isn't secular or godless in any way.
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    Well this is my first post in the lore forum though I have been lurking around for over a year. I love reading your posts and hopefully this will be useful

    Here is the message:

    Vm'jqqteomn dj'dpjat ipj'attw
    Rthjms'dpt xoada'rthjms dpt'setvxa
    Jm'soadvmd apjeta'jp v'yvms bmivwomn
    Vmaitea'dptet yot'om ivodomn


    The message to the Asura from the 6 gods is a cryptogram (which fits with the Asura being scientifically minded) and can be solved with a substitution cipher where:

    A=S B=U C=* D=T
    E=R F=* G=* H=Y
    I=W J=O K=* L=*
    M=N N=G O=I P=H
    Q=F R=B S=D T=E
    U=* V=A W=K X=M
    Y=L Z=*

    *=There are not any of the letters in the message
    Ď=Space

    So the message reads:

    An offering to those who seek
    Beyond the mists beyond the dreams
    On distant shores oh a land unwaking
    Answers there lie in waiting

    I donít know what it means but Iím sure you guys will come up with some interesting ideas

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    Quote Originally Posted by coran View Post
    Well this is my first post in the lore forum though I have been lurking around for over a year. I love reading your posts and hopefully this will be useful

    Here is the message:

    Vm'jqqteomn dj'dpjat ipj'attw
    Rthjms'dpt xoada'rthjms dpt'setvxa
    Jm'soadvmd apjeta'jp v'yvms bmivwomn
    Vmaitea'dptet yot'om ivodomn


    The message to the Asura from the 6 gods is a cryptogram (which fits with the Asura being scientifically minded) and can be solved with a substitution cipher where:

    A=S B=U C=* D=T
    E=R F=* G=* H=Y
    I=W J=O K=* L=*
    M=N N=G O=I P=H
    Q=F R=B S=D T=E
    U=* V=A W=K X=M
    Y=L Z=*

    *=There are not any of the letters in the message
    Ď=Space

    So the message reads:

    An offering to those who seek
    Beyond the mists beyond the dreams
    On distant shores oh a land unwaking
    Answers there lie in waiting

    I donít know what it means but Iím sure you guys will come up with some interesting ideas
    Holy smokes Coran, you rock.
    Maybe it's talking about Unwaking Waters over there in Cantha? Harvest Temple maybe? Do they make offerings to the gods there?
    Maybe they are going to add Lyssa's realm soon?
    Last edited by Manwithtwohands; 03-09-2007 at 15:06.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coran View Post
    Well this is my first post in the lore forum though I have been lurking around for over a year. I love reading your posts and hopefully this will be useful

    Here is the message:

    Vm'jqqteomn dj'dpjat ipj'attw
    Rthjms'dpt xoada'rthjms dpt'setvxa
    Jm'soadvmd apjeta'jp v'yvms bmivwomn
    Vmaitea'dptet yot'om ivodomn


    The message to the Asura from the 6 gods is a cryptogram (which fits with the Asura being scientifically minded) and can be solved with a substitution cipher where:

    A=S B=U C=* D=T
    E=R F=* G=* H=Y
    I=W J=O K=* L=*
    M=N N=G O=I P=H
    Q=F R=B S=D T=E
    U=* V=A W=K X=M
    Y=L Z=*

    *=There are not any of the letters in the message
    Ď=Space

    So the message reads:

    An offering to those who seek
    Beyond the mists beyond the dreams
    On distant shores oh a land unwaking
    Answers there lie in waiting

    I donít know what it means but Iím sure you guys will come up with some interesting ideas
    wow amazing.... i donīt understand at all how this works and how you can find out wich letters transform in wich ... good job anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by coran View Post
    Well this is my first post in the lore forum though I have been lurking around for over a year. I love reading your posts and hopefully this will be useful

    Here is the message:

    Vm'jqqteomn dj'dpjat ipj'attw
    Rthjms'dpt xoada'rthjms dpt'setvxa
    Jm'soadvmd apjeta'jp v'yvms bmivwomn
    Vmaitea'dptet yot'om ivodomn


    The message to the Asura from the 6 gods is a cryptogram (which fits with the Asura being scientifically minded) and can be solved with a substitution cipher where:

    A=S B=U C=* D=T
    E=R F=* G=* H=Y
    I=W J=O K=* L=*
    M=N N=G O=I P=H
    Q=F R=B S=D T=E
    U=* V=A W=K X=M
    Y=L Z=*

    *=There are not any of the letters in the message
    Ď=Space

    So the message reads:

    An offering to those who seek
    Beyond the mists beyond the dreams
    On distant shores oh a land unwaking
    Answers there lie in waiting

    I donít know what it means but Iím sure you guys will come up with some interesting ideas
    Hmmm just wondering, does anybody else think Fahranur might be a possibility? It fits the distant shores part, it's a city whose inhabitants have gone into the mists -- I dunno know, prolly nothing tho :-/

    And damn coran, how did you figure this out O.o ?

    EDIT: I thought of looking up the term 'Seekers' on the official wiki, but the only thing it references to which seems applicable are the Seekers pilgrims who crossed the desert in search of a new home. Don't know if it suddenly makes a bell ring.

    Oh and I guess this could be a reference to something available in GW2.
    Last edited by Akirai Annuvil; 05-09-2007 at 21:06.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coran View Post
    An offering to those who seek
    Who are those who seek? Could be just the ones the spirit is addressing (Kerrsh and the player); they've obviously shown themselves to be seekers by following the divine scavenger hunt this far. Quintus's idea of it referring to the Lore community is also a possibility- it wouldn't be the first time they tied in-game stuff back to us

    As for the offering, that likely refers to the riddle itself. The spirit is offering information.

    Beyond the mists beyond the dreams
    The Mists connect the mortal worlds, and entering the Mists allow one to travel between worlds. Perhaps "beyond the mists" is a reference to another world? A possible clue may be that Realm Vs Realm PvP in GW2 will take place in the Mists, so this may be a tie-in with GW2. Also note that Bahltek makes multiple references to other planes of existence.

    Of course, it could also refer to more mundane mists, and the area in question is just beyond a misty area. The Tarnished Coast has quite a bit of mist in it, particularly Riven Earth- I can't think of any other areas that really fit.

    The second phrase is more ambiguous. I can't think of any references to dreams or sleeping in the lore, other than the "dreamers" in Nightfall (Hahla, Melonni, etc).

    On distant shores oh a land unwaking
    "Distant shores" remind me of the lore speculation surrounding that rumored "Guild Wars Utopia" before it got squashed. It may have something to do with that mountain seen off the coast of Fahranur, though distant shores might mean another continent anywhere, or even a shore on another world (if the previous line is to be interpreted that way).

    An unwaking land obviously brings Unwaking Waters to mind, but there are many areas that could be described that way. And while Unwaking Waters is indeed distant relative to the Far Shiverpeaks (actually, they're possibly the two farthest apart areas in the game), the fact that it's an inland sea doesn't quite fit with the imagery of "distant shores".

    If this does tie back to Cantha, it may be a reference to the rumored Blighted Empire expansion ("empire" being the Canthan Empire). That requires quite a few assumptions, however.

    Answers there lie in waiting
    Like the first line, pretty simple- find the unwaking land on distant shores beyond the mists, and we find the answers to the riddle, the end of our scavenger hunt.

    Like others, I'm convinced that Bahltek is tied up in this somehow. Perhaps someone should travel around Istan with Light of Deldrimor and see if anything turns up, especially near Bahltek's spawn points- they wouldn't give us a skill capable of discovering secrets if there was nothing secretive to be found
    Last edited by Scutilla; 09-09-2007 at 06:30.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coran View Post
    Well this is my first post in the lore forum though I have been lurking around for over a year. I love reading your posts and hopefully this will be useful

    Here is the message:

    Vm'jqqteomn dj'dpjat ipj'attw
    Rthjms'dpt xoada'rthjms dpt'setvxa
    Jm'soadvmd apjeta'jp v'yvms bmivwomn
    Vmaitea'dptet yot'om ivodomn


    The message to the Asura from the 6 gods is a cryptogram (which fits with the Asura being scientifically minded) and can be solved with a substitution cipher where:

    A=S B=U C=* D=T
    E=R F=* G=* H=Y
    I=W J=O K=* L=*
    M=N N=G O=I P=H
    Q=F R=B S=D T=E
    U=* V=A W=K X=M
    Y=L Z=*

    *=There are not any of the letters in the message
    Ď=Space

    So the message reads:

    An offering to those who seek
    Beyond the mists beyond the dreams
    On distant shores oh a land unwaking
    Answers there lie in waiting

    I donít know what it means but Iím sure you guys will come up with some interesting ideas
    Very interesting and it sparked something in me.

    I noticed that the cryptic message are grouped by ' and after pondering over it, I counted how many groups there are...I got 13.

    So I took the decrypted message and starte counting the letters and I took the 13th letters and this is what I got;

    T-E-E-S-R-A-H-I

    I feed it to my Anagram solver and wa-la! One of the results is this;

    The Arise

    Which I believe to be a clue that points to the Crystal Desert, The Arise can only mean, The Ascension.

    Of course, there are other results like;

    Hi Teaser and I Hate Res

    but The Arise is more relevant to the message.

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