I don't want to be accused of bumping the last one, but I'm trying to keep the numbers down. So this one will make a handy place to argue about privacy rights, Carnivore, and the FISA laws as well.
For anyone keeping tabs, this not only is almost gospel truth, but also may prove to be felonious. To say nothing of hypocritical. There were constant rumors and strong allegations that the Clinton White House was not only targeting opponents for FBI and IRS investigations, but were also using Carnivore to snoop on citizens such as those in Christian groups.Originally Posted by The Hill
However, aside from the 'do what I say but not what I do' routine, common to many politicians, does anyone really care that Gov't resources are used & abused in invading individual's privacy? It certainly doesn't seem so, since the only time people seem to get up in arms about this is when TEH EBIL BUSH/ITLER can be identified as involved in some fashion.
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17-10-2007, 18:41 #1
Hmm, time for a new Hillary thread.
17-10-2007, 18:48 #2
Seems to me, you posting this answers your own question? or do "people getting up in arms" only counts when the other camp does it?
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17-10-2007, 20:19 #4
17-10-2007, 21:12 #5
Well, remember, this <is> a Hillary thread.
EFF types such as myself, this has always been a non-partisan outrage (I hear that for some, the outrage dates back to the Carter administration) but it seems like it has become nothing more than a ball of tar that gets thrown in politics in hopes that it sticks to someone.
So is it? Are people just as furious that Hillary conducted extensive, illegal spying on political opponents with Gov't resources as they are that Bush conducted extensive, <potentially> illegal spying on unknown people talking with probable terrorists? It certainly doesn't seem to be the case.
17-10-2007, 21:30 #6
I can't speak for the US but privacy in the UK is something that people get uppity about no matter who's infringing it.
17-10-2007, 21:44 #7
Basically, voting for Giulliani or Clinton is voting against your civil rights. Maybe I'll vote for Paul or something...
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