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    Looking for people to HA with

    Well im new to HA, and because im unranked it seems I can never get into a party. Which I think is pretty silly because theres probably quite a few untapped players out there who are having the same difficulties as me.

    Primarily I play a WoH Monk, although I do have an enduring scythe ranger.

    I was wondering if theres anyone out there who is willing to let me HA with them and get more experienced and have some fun.

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    You at least need more flexibility than that. To stand a chance of getting on other teams than randomway you'll need to have at least a handfull of the popular builds available with all the equipment for it as well and know what it does and how you do it. WoH isn't really as favored in HA as doesn't have the pure powerhealing HB has. RC is also popular.

    What the heck is an enduring scythe ranger? People in tombs want the approved builds and kick people immediatly if they can't play them.
    Then being unranked, even being able to roll anything it's not easy to get a team. Consistensy will eventually get you somewhere, but likely you'll need to find a guild with the same mindset as you own.

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    1. unlock all skills
    2. get vent/mic
    3. make in game friends (but don't spend more time with them then your Real life friends)

    work yourself up to a decent rank and you'll be in HoH in no time.

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    1. unlock all skills
    2. get vent/mic
    3. make in game friends (but don't spend more time with them then your Real life friends)
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    Thats alot to ask to just want to be able to play an part of a game ive unlocked and already payed for.

    I dont have the money to unlock all skills, and the amount in faction... would be crazy.

    Plus my in game friends dont want to HA, for most the thought of PVP scares them, and my guild would rather AB which i do often.




    What the heck is an enduring scythe ranger?

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    Its a ranger who uses expertise so it can use dervish skills effectively. (Those ones in Sway, there is no specific one build, i modded one of PvX wiki because I find escape not as useful as many other skills and pious assault i think is a terrible skill - though i've never played Sway so I can't say wether its good or not).

    I have been unlocking new builds when someone asks, but soon after i just get kicked anyway because im unranked which obviously means i wont be able to perform.


    Im not trying to start an argument or anything, im just saying that people ought to allow new players in with them.

    And I got my first fame point today, I know its nothing but I got let into a randomway team that didn't mind i was unranked, but we split up after our first battle, so once again im HAless.


    (but don't spend more time with them then your Real life friends)
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    Wouldn't dream of it but good point to alot of people, as when i was around 10 and I didn't truly value my friends I did that way too often, on other games of course, GW wasn't around when I was 10.
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    Did you come up with that name yourself? If yes that'd be why. For the love of god(or whatever you want, just an expression) don't advertise yourself as some kind of name you made up yourself. Not because that's inherently bad, but because that's not what people want anyways and it makes you look like you have no idea what you're doing.
    If a sway team wants a scythe ranger, they want a proper sway build, not something you modded. That's just how it is.

    The points one and two, in fact is not too much to ask for. voice com is the essence of teamplay, but you actually can get by with just playing sway which requires not teamplay at all anyways.

    Sure you can live with about 75% UAX with the leftovers being old proph and core elites that are unused. That shouldn't take too long. In a good week with dedicated play you can get about 300 faction.

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    Did you come up with that name yourself?
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    Nope PvX wiki did, and I don't use that name when recruiting. I Say R/D anyway.

    In a good week with dedicated play you can get about 300 faction.
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    300 faction isn't enough to buy 1 skill no? Usually on the TA I can make about 6k a day, but thats nowhere near enough to afford UAS, i'd have to buy the unlock pack.

    If a sway team wants a scythe ranger, they want a proper sway build, not something you modded. That's just how it is.
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    I don't play Sway, I just like the build, and surely if none of us modded any builds then we would never improve? I can understand pious assault and escape in a sway build but in a balanced and how most randomways turn out I don't see them as being effective.

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    Sorry, my mistake not properly hitting the "K" button. It should be 300k.

    The reason they want them for is pretty simple, it fits. And of course it doesn't fit in any balanced build.

    If you are really into getting more skills you can get 8k faction a day for about 40-45 min of farming zaishen challange+elite. that and some ra or ab will net you about 10k for 1,5 hour or so. That's not too bad if you feel you need it.

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    ye unlock all skills is a bit too much to ask for a starter pvp'er. but try to unlock skills from common builds like a RaO ranger, a necro/rt healer, a Savannah heat ele.

    just search for unranked groups and play alot or ask a r3 group kindly if you could join.

    mic isn't that necesarry but a huge help later on, when you are more into pvp.
    vent on the other hand is a must

    if you have problems finding the build out try to search pvx wiki under pvp section or just ask it to the guys recruiting/searching for player with that build

    but the most important thing imo is getting to know ppl. add them in your friends list, ask them if they need something. and if you are good and nice you will be invited back.

    and if you want to play something you modded. you try to make a team then.. and search unranked players what you need

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    Quote Originally Posted by spyderbite View Post
    Its a ranger who uses expertise so it can use dervish skills effectively. (Those ones in Sway, there is no specific one build, i modded one of PvX wiki because I find escape not as useful as many other skills and pious assault i think is a terrible skill - though i've never played Sway so I can't say wether its good or not).
    [[Escape] is a very good skill (it helps you keep up pressure since you move faster than normal, and it keeps you alive as the enemy melee can't hit you).
    [[Pious Assault] is your deep wound attack, it is a very important part of the build. It does remove an enchant from yourself, but since SWAY doesn't rely on enchants that is perfectly ok.

    Quote Originally Posted by spyderbite View Post
    Im not trying to start an argument or anything, im just saying that people ought to allow new players in with them.
    Yes.
    The problem is of course that new players are, well, new. With less experience, you have a bigger chance to make some small mistake that makes you lose. No one wants to lose just to give a new guy a chance... It's a vicious circle. IMO the entire rank thing was one of ANet's biggest mistakes.

    Quote Originally Posted by spyderbite View Post
    And I got my first fame point today, I know its nothing but I got let into a randomway team that didn't mind i was unranked, but we split up after our first battle, so once again im HAless.
    Congratulations. Keep it up, try to join groups, unlock the most common skills used, work hard and before you know it you will have rank 3 and can show that deer. Those first 180 fame are the hardest (except for the 820 more that you need to get a wolf. and the 3665 more than that which you need for a tiger. and so on...)
    Just remember to put names of good people you play with in your friends list, and let them know that you want to play more.

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    This one is old, but Tiyuri is cool and I think it still applies for the most part (admittedly, I didn't bother to actually read it myself right now)

    Quote Originally Posted by Tiyuri
    So you've killed countless Charr, but never another player:

    Then HA is not for you, yet. The first thing you want to do is wet your feet in the random arenas. Here you can run any build you want to. Play long enough and you'll begin to learn what does and doesn't work. You'll begin to see which builds stand out as efficient, you'll gain some faction and you'll begin to see how different a PVP environment is to a PVE environment. The most important lesson to be learnt here, is that you're effectively playing a completely different game and being good at one does not make you good at the other.

    So you're an RA Champion! Busting out the glad points like nobodies business:


    Then you're ready to TA. Where as RA rewards players with the ability to pick out efficient skills with some synergy, TA rewards a synergy and communication between characters. It's your first step into organised PVP, good teams will tell YOU which skills to take. It's the team leaders choice now, not yours. This is because your build needs to work with the rest of the builds on the team. You'll need to start learning the popular character builds, why they're popular, how to play them and what skills you're required to unlock.

    TA is where PVP as a whole begins to get competitive, and thus rewards those players who put in the time and effort to learn the metagame, learn the popular builds, learn their counters. etc.

    If you really want to get into the PVP side of things, I suggest you begin leading your own teams. Don't stick to one build that works for you, learn how to play all professions, mix things up. If you're going to be a team leader you're going to need to know how everyone's build works, not just your own. It's those players with the ability to lead who really go places.

    So you're a Rank 3 gladiator! Why won't those tools let me play HA!

    Because HA is a whole new ball game.

    The first thing to do when starting out in HA, is to realise that it has its own mechanics. It's not TA, it's certainly not RA and so your experience in those areas - whilst obviously a good thing in terms of learning the basics of PVP - means jack. It's time to set aside your pride, your rank 3 gladiator title, your protector of Tyria title. You need to get into the mindset to learn. You aren't going to achieve a shiny emote straight away. It requires some dedication.

    The new HA player has 3 options.

    Join unranked groups.
    Attempt to Join ranked groups.
    Or form their own groups.

    The first thing I suggest you do is forget option 1. We all know unranked groups are a train wreck waiting to happen, let's not pretend otherwise. Sure there are SOME good players out there without a rank, but those are a minority. Being good at GVG/TA/RA as we discussed, does not make you good at HA and thus those are not the people you want to learn from. So how do we go about attempting options 2 and 3?

    Joining Ranked Groups

    * Talk the Talk - First of all, you want to sound intelligent and well spoken. A lot of ranked groups don't actually care about a players rank, they limit themselves to ranked players in an attempt to avoid idiots. So Don't sound like one. Learn to spell, learn some grammar and some manners.
    * Don't Lie - If a team asks what rank you are, tell them the truth. If you lie and make stupid mistakes, you'll be booted and certainly won't be added to any friends lists. Whilst a lot of teams are very unforgiving towards the unranked player there are also a lot of understanding teams out there. If you're intelligent and respectful they'll help you out and tell you what you need to improve on.
    * Learn how to advertise yourself correctly - First of all, ranked groups are used to playing with players who are capable of playing any role, they have most skills unlocked and will spec to any role in the team if they have to. Thus advertising yourself as "A shock warrior LFG" makes you sound inexperienced off the bat. Advertise yourself as a player or a profession, not a specific build. Second, ranked groups assume you have vent/TS/etc, don't advertise yourself as having them, it absolutely stinks of desperation. Keep it short and elegant. "Experienced Monk looking to gain experience with a ranked team" or similar.
    * Don't be afraid to ask for help - Responding to an add with "I'm not rank 6 but I have a great deal of experience as an X" and asking if they could help you learn the maps isn't a bad idea. There are some real tools out there who'll tell you to f-off you unranked noob. But those aren't the players you want to play with anyway and if anything those players are probably the people who IWAYed their rank 6. You need thick skin, but keep trying.
    * Spend a lot of time in observer - You need to know what builds are popular right now, and you need the skills unlocked to play them. You need the variations of those builds unlocked also, and you shouldn't expect to stay in a ranked team if you don't have a skill they require.
    * Do not spam players who ignore you - Some people who advertise for rank 6+ people or r9+ people want just that, no exceptions. Sometimes when asking for r6+ players team leaders are whispered by 10~ unranked players asking for a shot. Expecting them to respond to every single person is a bit much.



    Starting your own Groups

    This has to be the best way around the rank requirements of HA, no one asks the group leaders rank, so as long as you are competent enough you can pretty much pick up players of any rank. However ranked players have enough experienced to spot a leader who doesn't know what he's doing from a mile away. Good teams are lead, they aren't a giant democracy, and if you're going to go down this route you need to do that leading.

    You need to know the build you propose to run inside out, you need to know the skills on every characters bar, you need to know what you plan to do on every map. Make sure you check out articles on Guildwiki and similar on the objectives of each map, observe them, observe other people playing the build you are going to use, see how they attempt to play it.

    Whilst playing a gimmick build will aid you in finding players FASTER, the quality of those players will probably be lower. A lot of Rank 9+ players are no longer concerned about rank or gaining fame and are instead looking for builds that are innovative or fun to play. Not only that but you might actually learn something if you're not spamming searing flames or "Fear me!".

    Whilst leading a team be prepared to Speak non stop on vent, there's no hiding in the back here, occasionally calling out "blind on 3", it's your job to direct the team now. Tell it where and how to move, where to throw up wards, where to throw its damage, and so on. You've got to be confident to do this but its potentially the fastest way to a rank and the fastest way of getting some really good players on your friendlist.


    Going Further:


    So you've got into some nice groups, taken halls a few times, maybe earned rank 3 and a shiny dear emote. But you want to go further, you want to aim higher, you want a big shiny tiger.

    You need to either find an HA guild or build up a good friends list of players you're impressed with. If you're a strong leader you could lead your own HA guild and that allows you to be selective about the talent you bring along.

    I would suggest against using names like "Holy knight of Tyria" or some other ridiculous PVE name. You want to make a name for yourself and so people need to know what to call you. Not to mention the fact that you don't want to sound like an instant PVE nub when attempting to join a ranked team.

    Be social, don't hide in the corner of every vent server you join, be vocal and friendly. You want people to enjoy playing with you and invite you over other people. Contribute to the team, suggest strat and so on. Making good friends makes good fame.


    Do not go to HA if:

    You don't have a good amount of skills unlocked.
    You're an idiot.
    Your spelling is atrocious.
    You are unable to use ventrilo
    You take rude comments to heart
    You plan to post retarded threads on the forums regarding how some guy didn't accept you into their group and rank means nothing.


    Peace
    Some things that I would like to point out about behaviour (it may be covered in the above quote - I'm leaving out the things that I know he mentioned):

    - Don't be impatient. It's often seen as a strong sign of immaturity.
    - If you're playing with people you don't know, and you're new to the game then don't insist on running some specific build - run what the teams wants you to run.
    - In addition to that; don't get into discussions about builds and skillselections if you're still learning the game.

    Basically you have to remember that it's a competitive game, which means that people want to win. If you find some people willing to help you learn to play then try to get the hang of it as quickly as possible so they can see that you're making progress. And don't be afraid to ask for help and instructions if you're having trouble with your own role on the team.

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