A brief introduction to the Mists and the Rift.
The Nature of the Gods and their Relation to the Mists.Originally Posted by The Manuscripts
From this example, I believe that the Gods are actually sentient portions of the Mists. From what we’re provided in the description of the Mists in the portion describing Razah, this doesn’t sound too far off.Originally Posted by Kerrsh
This being the case, it seems highly probable or possible, that the Mists themselves would clump together and coalesce until they formed a deity-like entity that dominates a certain aspect of the Mists. These beings would contain the main element of the Mists that makes the Mists so peculiar, straining towards creation; being sentient, however, they would have traits that are similar to humans like emotion and caring. This in turn would give reason for certain actions on the part of the Gods and would explain why most of the sentient species are aware of their existence, despite being from another plane or world.Originally Posted by The Manuscripts
The current Gods may have been humans from another world, this is entirely possible. My thought was reaching far back, before the current Gods, without my realizing it at first until now, to the first pantheon of Gods. They were formed by concentrated areas of the Mists, containing larger chunks in their souls, or perhaps even their entire soul was a chunk of the Mists. Which is what allows them to so easily manipulate the Mists because they're able to uplink with it at ease.
I believe they have a higher amount of control over the Mists, but not complete dominance over it.
The Nature of the Bloodstones, Magic itself, and the Mists.
The most interesting part is the introduction of magic into the world, this was done by Abaddon, as we all know and it states that he handed it out too freely. I think, that water conducts magic yes, but that magic itself is the manipulation of the Mists. What I think Abaddon did, was bring the Mists or certain aspects of the Mists, into the living creatures themselves and that he brought the Mists closer to Tyria itself allowing easier manipulation of the Mists. That he brought the Mists close to Tyria and of course, being so close allows easier manipulation which allows abuse on the part of the races, which is why the Gods punished him and placed him in the Realm of Torment.
To bring the Mists closer to Tyria would only end in catastrophe, as we know it will produce demons on its own accord, and that would only unleash further devastation upon Tyria. If Abaddon did this with that knowledge in mind is unknown, but as a God of Secrets it seems that it may have simply been something that the benefits outweighed the costs. However, the other Gods clearly disagreed, which is why they crafted the Bloodstones..And on that topic..
I believe that they obviously contain the more destructive forces of magic, but I also believe they act as a barrier against the Mists. A sort of grid that keeps the Mists from completely pervading into Tyria and keeping the balance of power, another way to view it could be as columns supporting a ceiling and keeping it from completely falling down. In short, we can simply call this the Bloodstone Barrier, or Barriers.
An idea that occurred to me after the initial posting of this thread, and can be seen in a later post of mine, is a better example of my idea. My idea would probably be better described by a Dam. There's a large amount of water on one side, and a lesser amount on the other. Every now and then, water is let through the Dam to the other side. In my example it would be that the Mists as a whole are on one side, and then a smaller restricted amount is on the other side, in this case Tyria, with the Bloodstones acting as the Dam. When they are activated, the more destructive aspects of the Mists are let through or more easily manipulated, and then the flow stops whenever the length of the activation ends.
Magic, Mists, Water
Every tragedy that has occurred in Tyria has usually altered the landscape dramatically, by lowering something. In the Margonite War, the water level was lowered, and the seabed brought to the surface. In the Searing, Ascalon was almost completely leveled. Orr was completely leveled. The Harvest Temple was brought down by the force of Shiro’s death wail that it created a whirlpool and froze.
I believe that, in the case of the Margonite War, Abaddon utilized water’s conductivity, where the whirlpool is described in the Scriptures of Abaddon, to create the meteorites that struck down the ships, further depleting the water.
In the case of the Harvest Temple, we’re provided a wonderful, wonderful fact that further proves that the Gods are sentient portions of the Mists, the Mists are just a manipulation of magic, and that one can sidestep the barrier produced by the Bloodstones through certain methods. In this scenario, the Gods bless the Emperor with a part of their power to distribute among the people to ease their burdens, however, through rituals Shiro made himself capable of stealing this power, but this could only be done by releasing the power through death. The Emperor was a conduit and a container, which Shiro managed to make himself into through his rituals, however, Abaddon manipulated him to bypass the Bloodstone Barriers. He wanted to throw the Gods power in their face, and used it as a way to get souls to help his other end motives. When the power was released by Shiro’s death, it was as though the Mists themselves punched into the world, a side effect of this through the conductivity of the water, and whatever the nature of the manipulated Mists, was the petrifying of the Jade Sea and the Echovald.
When it comes to the Searing and Cataclysm, it would appear that the artifacts themselves held a part of the Mists, and of course when manipulated correctly, bypassed the Bloodstone Barriers by their very existence beneath them. If the Mists are contained within an object, it appears that it could not be removed by the Barriers, but only by being hidden or removed from the world. Obviously for both artifacts used in the Searing and the Cataclysm, they went for the former.
Souls, Souls, the Never-Ending Energy Source?
So, I’ve come to the conclusion that magic is just a form of the Mists being manipulated, but souls happen to be a key energy source for Margonites, Demons, Mursaat, and perhaps even the Gods themselves. Magic is also a central energy source. The end conclusion then must be that souls contain certain parts of the Mists, that, when in a large supply, are a morbid and dark form of energy that is only used by the vilest creatures or by creatures that have no other choice but to use them for sustenance.
A point made later in this thread by Azazel was that the body or soul could possibly be a chunk of the Mists. Expanding on that with my idea that magic is simply the manipulation of the Mists, that chunk would be what allowed them the ability to manipulate. Highly skilled mages would have a larger chunk of the Mists making up their soul, or possibly just long years of training in how to connect the chunk to the whole of the Mists allowing easier manipulation.
Simply put: Souls contain a chunk of the Mists. Mages uplink that chunk to the whole, allowing them to manipulate the Mists. Ones with years of training are more adept at uplinking and keeping the link stable, allowing for easier prolonged manipulation of the Mists.
My apologies for the length..I’ve had this on my mind for quite awhile, and just now got to writing it down in a, hopefully, coherent manner that conveys my ideas in the proper manner and does not confuse anyone.
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22-09-2008, 02:17 #1
Nature of the Mists, Gods, Bloodstones, and the Essence of Magic.
22-09-2008, 02:26 #2
22-09-2008, 02:34 #3
It would appear that the Mists just are. Or in your example, the Creator just is.
22-09-2008, 02:56 #4
22-09-2008, 03:03 #5
For the souls section, I would have to say that, they can be used as an energy source because they are made from the Mists. I would argue, that the souls are literally a part of the Mists, tiny sentient pieces of the Mists that power material bodies.
Originally Posted by Shinryu
22-09-2008, 03:07 #6
22-09-2008, 03:56 #7
And how has The Mists always existed?
22-09-2008, 04:00 #8
...Let's not get into that. If the Asura know the Mists exist and always have, being the central "atheistic" group in GW, we'll just have to take it as it is. Going into the topic of how the Mists exist is similar to asking how God exists, you're just going to end up punching through air without any conclusive results.
The thing is, the Mists exist, we know they exist, how they exist is mostly irrelevant.
22-09-2008, 09:47 #9
Every theological system eventually stops and some point or another and says, "We don't know how that got there." Which is probably more responsible than "it got there because it is everything and nothing... zzzz..."
The mists are basically that point in GWs I think. If they explain them, people would just ask "but how did the mist spraying machine get there" :)
22-09-2008, 09:59 #10
so we don't actually go into the mists ingame or could part of the UW be counted as the mists?
another thing is that huge statue in the C.D be a margonite before their fall being an ancient elonian?