Gwen's Family Crest

[Axwind]

I was just wondering... how did Thackeray find it? He gives you a drawing of it, but where did he get it from? Ashford was destroyed in the Searing, and Gwen must have lost her old dress years ago after she outgrew it. So how did he know what her family crest looked like? Sorry if I missed something, I just happened to notice it and was wondering about it.

[Konig Des Todes]

It is possible that they knew each other from before the searing. Or that he was able to find who Gwen's family was and found it in a book/ruined house.

What I question, is that don't usually family only have crests if they are of royalty/importance? Peasants wouldn't have them I thought.

[Axwind]

I don't know. But I do remember that in pre-Searing, Gwen said there were no other kids her age around for her to play with. And Thackeray wouldn't have been much older than her at the time, if he had been there. But from her statement, we know he wasn't. And after the Searing, Ashford is nothing but rubble, and any kind of parchment or paper would have been long since burned by the Searing. So that's a dead end, too.

Yeah, I don't know why her family would, unless maybe she had ancestors who were once part of the nobility or something and it got passed on. But outside of Ashford and pre-Searing Ascalon, there doesn't seem to be any other place where Thackeray could have found her crest.

[Konig Des Todes]

A family crest isn't always on parchment. But when I meant by book I mean a recording of Gwen's family which includes a picture of the family crest. I.e., if Gwen was of noble descent, there would have been recordings of it - and it is a good guess that books have made it through the Searing due to Simon and other historians *possibly damaged of course*.

[Sir Jack]

It's also possible Thackerey was a bit older than Gwen or already being trained by the Ascalon military, which would also qualify him as "no other kids her age to play with".

[Karuro]

It's also possible Thackerey was a bit older than Gwen or already being trained by the Ascalon military, which would also qualify him as "no other kids her age to play with".

And weren't our characters BFF with Gwen as well?
There's also the (very) small possibility that Gwen drew it somewhere while she was in the Ebon Vanguard.

[Axwind]

True, Sir Jack, but if he had known her then, wouldn't he have mentioned it, or reminded her of that fact? Since having a familiar face from that time there with her in the present would bring her some comfort. But he says nothing, and neither does she. In his quest dialogue, he actually says he hardly knows her at all. And given the fact that he was never there before this past Wintersday and is never regularly there afterward, that would seem to be true.

It's possible, Karuro, that she could have drawn it while at the Eye. But I doubt Thackeray would just go rummaging through her quarters trying to find it. And yeah, one would think she would have remembered our character during that quest, especially if our character was from Prophecies and had kept the tapestry shred or done the quest it unlocks. And in that situation, with our character being one of the only people in the Eye that she also knew back in pre, that established friendship ought to have been referenced, because the presence of an old friend would, as I said above, bring her a little comfort in the fact that not everything and everyone she knew back then was lost.

[Sir Jack]

It's possible, Karuro, that she could have drawn it while at the Eye. But I doubt Thackeray would just go rummaging through her quarters trying to find it.

He has us do all the dirty work so he can get a shot at getting in het pants. I wouldn't put rummaging through her undies above him...
(waits for someone to draw Zachery with Gwen's panties on his head)

It's quite possible her family was quite known at the time though. She says her dad was an adventurer and apparently a Warrior as well, so her crest may have become wellknown amongst Guilds or in the army at that time.

I'd discard the idea her crest is of some kind of nobility though, with her father being an adventurer and her mother being a herbalist, at best she'd be of former nobility that lost a lot of status, in which case it's unlikely the crest would be remembered that well.

[Gmr Leon]

After looking over the information, it's difficult to say where exactly he managed to procure that sketch. What has been proposed thus far certainly seems possible and if I had to add to the possibilities, I would suggest that someone amongst the Ebon Vanguard may have been friends of the family, and kept it in the event of stumbling into them. That being the case, Keiran may have run into the fellow first, and explaining his idea, got it before the person could give it to Gwen.

Keep in mind that someone doesn't necessarily need to be an actual soldier, it could just as easily be a refugee they rescued.

[Axwind]

He has us do all the dirty work so he can get a shot at getting in her pants. I wouldn't put rummaging through her undies above him...

It's quite possible her family was quite known at the time though. She says her dad was an adventurer and apparently a Warrior as well, so her crest may have become wellknown amongst Guilds or in the army at that time.

I'd discard the idea her crest is of some kind of nobility though, with her father being an adventurer and her mother being a herbalist, at best she'd be of former nobility that lost a lot of status, in which case it's unlikely the crest would be remembered that well.

Yeah, that makes sense about her family being known because of her father. But I still don't get how we're supposed to buy the idea of a random ranger (Thackeray) suddenly appearing out of nowhere on Wintersday as though he had always been there. And then disappearing again after the holiday. If he's supposed to be a regular member of the Vanguard, he should be consistently there fairly often, if not all the time, outside of Wintersday. Otherwise it makes little sense for him to be trying to hit on Gwen.

After all, he's only there once a year. How's that going to work? No girl is going to put up with that. And besides, he hasn't done all that much for her, not nearly as much as our character has (fighting alongside her in EOTN, taking her to see her mother in the underworld, helping her settle her score with Daghar if the character was a PH, doing all the work in getting her the pendant, etc.), so why would she feel anything for him in return? Sometimes I just don't get why Anet does these things. Sorry to go off topic a little, it just seems weird to have a previously nonexistent character suddenly show up and seemingly try to win the affections of a girl he's barely met and who has been part of the lore for years only to then disappear again until next Wintersday.