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    Mursaat Tokens: A Word From Nicholas

    Mursaat Tokens drop from not just the Mursaat themselves, but Jade Armor/Bows and Ether Seals as too. Before, we didn't know anything on these, but now we got some lore on it:
    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas the Traveler
    Sometimes I question whether my curiosity will be my undoing. Take Mursaat Tokens, for example. I think they're utterly fascinating, like they have an untapped inner power, a power you can sense, waiting to detonate and ruin all life.
    The tokens have immense power - very powerful energy.

    What is a kind of energy the Mursaat are, at least on a minor scale, able to control? Lazarus shows us the answer: Their own being. He is able to split his being - whether it is body and soul, or just his soul, is unknown. Souls are also known to be a very powerful source.

    After looking in on this and the Mursaat, I have created a new hypothesis.

    As we all know, Mursaat are humanoid in shape - but an interesting thing to think about is the mechanical-like sounds that they make - are these sounds made just because of the masks? I am not sure, but it doesn't sound like a normal kind of voice even including the masks.

    These things presented thus far, have given me a thought: What if the Mursaat we see are not their actual bodies? That is, maybe the reason why all things related to the Mursaat drop the same thing - Mursaat Tokens - is because the Mursaat Tokens are what causes the animation of normally inanimate objects.

    That is, the Mursaat Tokens house souls - just as the soul batteries - and these souls power the Jade Armos, the Ether Seals, and the bodies we have conceived to be Mursaat.

    But then, what are the Mursaat? What are the bodies we see?

    On the bodies, I think they are the bodies of the chosen - re-inhabited by the true Mursaat, and fashioned into a more unanimous bodies. But then the issue comes up with the feet - the biggest difference between humans and Mursaat (aside from the wing-like appendixes and changed color of the skin). This could be part of their "fashioning" - slightly changing the body - perhaps to make them more similar to their old bodies.

    If this is correct, the mechanical sounds can then be also due to the "fashioning" - perhaps they include mechanical portions into the bodies as well.


    Just some thoughts.

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    It is possible that, if I am correct, the Tokens can possess things they come in contact with. Inanimate objects would, of course, be easier to possess than living beings - but as Lazarus shows, at least becoming parasitic to living beings is possible. Though with Lazarus there are three things to note: He did not possess the people - They took him willingly - And he split himself. It may be that if the host is unwilling the Mursaat cannot possess the host (at least immediately) - and likewise, if the Mursaat is in one piece when the possession takes place, the chances of controlling a living host is more likely.

    This may be how Lazarus began putting himself back together - one piece that his split up was larger than others, and thus was able to have more influence over the host. Through this ability, he was able to meet up with the other hosts and slowly put more of himself into a single host.
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    ...Interesting. But the Mursaat had bodies just like they do now before any Chosen had ever been sacrificed. Saul D'Allessio encountered winged humanoids in the Maguuma jungle when he was first exiled, and we see traditional-image Mursaat turn up to help him out during the Charr invasion as well. This is before any Chosen sacrifices.

    We also know they have melodic voices, as well... those 'mechanical' sounds are not the only sounds they can make.

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    I suppose I should have said humans - but now relying mostly on Chosen. As for the melodious voice - as one can change their own voice's tone, couldn't the Mursaat - who could even influence another's minds and thoughts to some degree - make their voice seem different?


    I dunno, the mechanical part was just a random thought from their voice - which is most likely caused by the masks. I guess I was thinking too much of these guys when I remembered the mechanical voice.

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    Horcrux's maybe?

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    How did the mursaat keep the door closed before they met Saul? Did they sacrific each other?

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    That is a question that has yet to acquire a resolution, unfortunately, Demonia. There are all sorts of ideas floating about, but nothing solid.
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    A friend pointed something out to me just now. The design in the Mursaat Tokens is the same as that of the Ether Seal:



    The biggest image of a Mursaat Token I can find

    In Abaddon's Mouth mission, we destroy Ether Seals to free spirits - in the bonus from an Ether Seal guardian Soul Batteries (unknown if the soul comes from the batteries or from the seal), and at the end from the eight seals - those spirits seem to come from the soul batteries.

    This means that the seals - the design - that we see on the Ether Seals, and on the Mursaat Tokens, do have some ability to trap a soul. Which further supports this "untapped inner power" in the tokens being souls. Though whether they are Mursaat souls like I proposed, or the souls of others, is unknown.

    This deduction also further supports the idea that Jade Armors are powered by souls. Not just by the Jade Armors dropping Mursaat Tokens, but the fact that the "body" of the Ether Seals are the same shape and material as the in-animate versions of the Jade Armors.
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    i don't see any hard proof to believe the mursaat even have souls..like seers, they are merely constructs, neither alive nor dead. note that there isn't a mursaat 'soul' ever seen in the game.

    to further read in on this, does anyone have anything reguarding the relationship between the mursaat and the seers? (i already am aware of their age-long quarrel)

    also, i'd like some info on the "negatives" of the white mantle's practice of chosen sacrifice..after all, the mursaat fear the titans and, in essence, prevent a worldwide Cataclysm/Searing by keeping the Door of Komalie shut...so what do the Flameseeker Prophecies really fortell?

    i don't know about the pre-saul sacrifice, demonia..the mursaat probably have other ways of acquiring souls, but the sacrifice of the chosen might have been the prime choice.

    the soul batteries are powered by the souls of the chosen, sacrificied on the bloodstones..i'm not sure what the mursaat tokens or jade armors would have to do with that..the jade armors are constructs, like the mursaat. created or forged by the mursaat? there isn't really a way to tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Advent Corruption View Post
    i don't see any hard proof to believe the mursaat even have souls..like seers, they are merely constructs, neither alive nor dead.

    to further read in on this, does anyone have anything reguarding the relationship between the mursaat and the seers? (i already am aware of their age-long quarrel)
    There's not really much more in regards to the Mursaat and Seer's relationship, but there's certainly no support for the Mursaat and Seers being constructs.
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    "Jade Construct?" so maybe the Jade and the Ether Seals are controlled by the Mursaat themselves..which would explain why they look so much different from the Mursaat.

    The Seers, however, somewhat bear a resemblance to the Mursaat. Like the Mursaat they:
    -Seem to hover above the ground
    -Are tall, thin
    -"...and when they spoke, it was the most melodious sound he had ever heard."- The Guild Wars Manuscripts
    -Among other things, they seem like the Mursaat, but, paradoxically, wish the fulfillment of the Flameseeker Prophecies.

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