need hero protection monk build

[Erring Ryft]

Just don't bring your MM with your ST rit.

[upier]

Just don't bring your MM with your ST rit.

I normally didn't have issues with that combo - but I did run a healer with it (either a HB monk or a resto necro). So I'd need more testing with a smiter, but as I said - I currently have 3 guys that are either barely 20 (mesmer, ranger) or just completed Nightfall (assassin), which means a lot of NM to go before I bother with HM.
Plus they are all survivors so ...

But, as I was saying earlier, I did fight my way from Beacons to Droks (on two different guys even!) with them on my lvl15-ish guys and heroes and didn't have much issues with the amount of heals:


And smiting was my preferred option to finish Nightfall on my Assassin so I imagine it shouldn't be that problematic for most of content.

[Age]

I use combo of smiting and divine favour on my Ogey but on my Talh I se hybrid heal/protect.

[Fluffball]

This nonsensical statement of yours raises an interesting point though:

Aside from the fact that you're sort of a dick, did you watch erring's video? It shows exactly what I said would happen in my first post. The arrow (I said spear) is in mid-flight and Dunk protted Erring. It's not the human definition of pre-protting, but none the less, my statement was completely right and the damage was reduced.

Edit: I just did the exact same test as Erring. Tahlk did indeed pre-prot herself as the Lightning Javelin flew towards her and the damage was reduced. That means something else is in play. What exactly are you doing wrong, Erring?

[Age]

Where is the video I don't see it?

[Erring Ryft]

Aside from the fact that you're sort of a dick, did you watch erring's video? It shows exactly what I said would happen in my first post. The arrow (I said spear) is in mid-flight and Dunk protted Erring. It's not the human definition of pre-protting, but none the less, my statement was completely right and the damage was reduced.

Edit: I just did the exact same test as Erring. Tahlk did indeed pre-prot herself as the Lightning Javelin flew towards her and the damage was reduced. That means something else is in play. What exactly are you doing wrong, Erring?

Is that really all you saw? If they were capable of actual pre-protting, the prots would land every time, not just on non-ias melee and bow attacks. They can't discern targeting, only imminent damage, or they'd prot way earlier when the warrior starts telegraphing the hit.

And of course there's the further issue of them almost never landing the right prot, but I think we're all aware of that one.

Bottom line: they spam, and they do it like morons. It's why the ER build works so well for them; they can pretend like they have infinite energy and they're usually right. Now quit talking with a mouth full of carp. Darn bottomfeeders...

[Fluffball]

No one ever claimed hero monks were unstoppable. It doesn't change what I said, it's still correct. They see an attack coming at you, they'll do their best to "pre-prot" you. At best, they pre-prot you more efficiently than a human, at worst you get hit with a single attack, which is still far better than most human prot monks.

Quit being so goddam argumentative. I never said anything non-factual. If I want to yell at you as well, I'll say I've tried ER eles and I think they ****ing suck, they get their enchants stripped non-stop and require an enormous amount of micro. There, now we're even. Edit: Oh ya, they're horrific at maintaining ER.

[Erring Ryft]

No one ever claimed hero monks were unstoppable. It doesn't change what I said, it's still correct. They see an attack coming at you, they'll do their best to "pre-prot" you.

The first sentence is right...no one did say that...however, you did just change what you said:

the instance the mesmer gets targeted they get protted.

This just isn't true, and it provides bad information; the prots didn't come when I was targeted, only when I either took damage or the swing from the weapon was begun or the arrow was in the air. So no, it's not correct. They might as well be unstoppable anyway, though, since it's PvE. I mean, heck, I regularly get my *** handed to me in HA when I try to prot, but in PvE I swearz I'm like unto a god. Heroes don't have to be unstoppable, because PvE isn't hard.

At best, they pre-prot you more efficiently than a human, at worst you get hit with a single attack, which is still far better than most human prot monks.

I'm not sure how spamming prots is efficient - most of the time (especially in PvE) one/two is sufficient to keep you alive, or to slow damage enough to let the heal monk react. I'll happily concede that they're better than most human prot monks, but since there are far more human prot monks than individual hero monk AIs, this isn't really a fair comparison.

Quit being so goddam argumentative. I never said anything non-factual. If I want to yell at you as well, I'll say I've tried ER eles and I think they ****ing suck, they get their enchants stripped non-stop and require an enormous amount of micro. There, now we're even. Edit: Oh ya, they're horrific at maintaining ER.

I'm really not trying to be argumentative - honestly, this is fun for me. And heck, you gave me an excuse to play with FRAPS and pretend I'm funny (and poke you with carp!), which is always a blast.

And I'm not sure why the ER protter doesn't work for you...I never touch mine, his energy never goes down, and ER is one of the first enchants he casts...right before he covers it with AoR and a stupid amount of prots. Hmm...maybe that'd make for a fun video as well...thanks for the idea .

[Fluffball]

Sorry, my anger was mostly at Lytha, she's often pisses me off. I think she's German or Austrian or something and I recently read an article on how Germans are physically incapable of having polite conversations with anyone other than other Germans due to their abrupt culture. Seriously, it was on BBC news, not a humor article.

I guess where your misunderstanding me is in the word "target". I don't picture the AI using "c" to target, that's purely a human user-interface convenience. The AI has everything on the battlefield targeted at the same time, (so most of us think anyway.) I meant targeted as in "stopped watching you and started attacking you." I believe the reason the hammer doesn't land and the axe does land is that PS has a 1/4th second cast time. Unfortunately we can no longer test protting with a mesmer.

My prot monks take the most effecient prot spells that I don't care if they cast regardless of the situation. PS is always going to be good to have on you, even if you're in the farthest backline, and it lasts a very long time unlike SB. RoF is perfect for what prot monks do, an axe warrior wailing on you is the perfect time to just sit there and cast RoF. If I see a better first target for Guardian, I often spam RoF on a secondary target on my human monk. I don't take guardian on a hero except in 4 man parties because it isn't always a great solution. In 4 man parties, someone is usually getting autoattacked (which is LARGE damage in HM) so guardian is ok to have.

I find ER eles often don't maintain AoR, and they don't even try to maintain ER, it's just like a random battle cast. I'm not sure why they don't consistently keep AoR, it really shocked me when I noticed it.

Without the e-management they are far worse than a prot monk hero. Even just ten spammed prots will heal for 500 in divine favor alone, and the prot monk isn't filled with 10e spells. 10e spells make short work of ~87 energy.

But that's not really something I'm worried about, both prot monks and ER eles are slightly obsolete at the 7 hero stage of the game. Smite monks and ST rits are what's hip these days.

[Age]

Sorry, my anger was mostly at Lytha, she's often pisses me off. I think she's German or Austrian or something and I recently read an article on how Germans are physically incapable of having polite conversations with anyone other than other Germans due to their abrupt culture. Seriously, it was on BBC news, not a humor article.

You know something you now made this personal attack on Lytha as well as the German people and culture.It is against any board rule to do this aswell as to Lytha this.

Aside from the fact that you're sort of a dick

I guess you don't know anything about board rules do you.

I would take Lytha advice over yours any day.