That part of the application of these models never made much sense to me.
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03-06-2011, 22:03 #71
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04-06-2011, 02:38 #73
2. High medical costs aren't a function of torts, they're a function of high selectivity of medical schools (brings down the number of available doctors) plus a rising demand for medical care (more advancements means more things are treatable, and the rising age of the boomers puts more people in line for medical care), plus sheer extortion on behalf of the pharmaceutical industry (patent control lets them leverage medical care). MedMal insurance, which pays the penalties in torts claims, is negligible in comparison. Most torts do not have punitives, contrary to your beliefs.
07-06-2011, 15:01 #74
Analogies aside, Alaris belief that his like-minded allies are somehow more able to decide what is wholesome for the general populace fails due to a number of reasons. The primary reason is that they have a fundamentally stupid belief - that having an elite of "smart" people creating THE PLAN will cause superior results when compared to individuals making their own decisions.
The secondary reason is that the elite aren't superior at all - they send shirtless pics to unknown coeds and then lie about it just like we all do... no, wait, they are the sort of bottom-feeding scum that exemplify the principle that absolute power corrupts absolutely.
By creating centralized planning, not only are you not guaranteeing any success of the plan (because such inherently ignore the indicators provided by the market) but you promise that scum-suckers will gravitate towards powerful positions from atop which vile people can exercise their megalomaniac tendencies.
07-06-2011, 15:22 #75
Despite this, I will now write two words which are likely to cause you to run shrieking from the thread.
07-06-2011, 15:42 #76
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Also patents are not the same as copyright.
I have to put all things right for you people
07-06-2011, 16:19 #77
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2) The right to healthcare is more ludicrous than the FSM? What are you smoking?
3) God said that we should take care of each other. God wants this. Jesus was going around healing the poor and needy.
4) Yes, there are charity that will take care of this, but it's not enough.
We live in society, which means takes, shared resources and shared responsabilities, and common wealth that arises from it. We only need to decide whether health is one of those aspects that gets included or not.
2) Also, yes, NASA makes better decisions than a bunch of rednecks, even if they make mistakes sometimes.
3) Except you're not even advocating for free market anyway, so you're not fooling anyone except the fools.
Do you realize how dumb the argument is? People like you keep sending us back to the stone age. You think the great minds never did anything dumb in their life?
I think you need to take probability classes. Also, to realize that the elite are elite in their own field.
07-06-2011, 17:46 #78
I always smile when some aspiring totalitarian claims a non-existent religious mantle which he/she despises to excuse their beliefs. Demanding the State be empowered to steal and kill is Holy Writ. The buffoonery by the fascist left never ends, I guess.
You can't answer the question because you base it on thievery - you want the labor of others without paying for them yourself, as differentiated from taxation where people are contributing to a pooled resource. You don't have a "right" to a pooled resource, because someone else controls the pool, even if they theoretically will give it back at some point (often on a Ponzi scheme basis, where your "contributions" are disconnected from your "payout"). I don't have a "right" to my Social Security; the Gov't will redefine my "payout" if I receive one at all.
The top- three corporate employers of donors to Barack Obama, Joe Biden, and Rahm Emanuel were Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, and JPMorgan. Six other financial giants were in the top thirty donors to the White House Dream Team: UBS AG, Lehman Brothers, Morgan Stanley, Bank of America, Merrill Lynch, and Credit Suisse Group.12 In 2008 alone, Goldman Sachs employees gave more to Obama -- nearly $1 million -- than any other employer, with the sole exception of the entire University of California, which has 230,000 employees -- ten times more than Goldman.13
And still Republicans are called the Party of Wall Street. Bush let Lehman Brothers go under -- what else do Republicans have to do? Liberals latched on to the image of Bush, Cheney, and even Tom DeLay as "oilmen" to blame them for everything from Enron's collapse to blackouts and high oil prices.
See, just because you may know about whatever you wrote your thesis on doesn't inherently mean that you know bupkis about anything else - in many cases, it is far more likely that you <don't> know, since you'll have been an ivory tower academic who doesn't know shyte about reality (as with Obama). It's a reason that the epithet "college boy" <is> an epithet; collegiate "knowledge" has destroyed several industries. This belief in your innate superiority because you went to school really doesn't align with market forces, much less reality.
You may believe any number of miserably asinine things - like that you have a "right" to health care, or that mankind is heating the planet rapidly and must be stopped, or that there ought to be better food available in the inner city. But your belief, coupled with a gun in your hand, will simply kill people while never solving the problem. Whereas if people in the inner city really want to eat better, they can go buy good food (or grow it), if the planet is really getting warmer then people will move North, and you could try paying your doctor out of your own pocket. Because invariably, your asinine schemes really aren't about solving a real problem like high risk insurance, but about your megalomaniac attitude and insatiable appetite to order other people around - if there was an actual problem, the market solves it. Because decision making is best done in a situational basis, rather than by some elite snot in a basement months after the issue arose.
07-06-2011, 18:01 #79
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You think I want to steal the doctor's labour, but in fact I want to give him more work for which he gets paid for (should he accept it, he can also take the day off).
There is no point debating this anymore (was there ever?) because you just won't discuss it in a civilized manner.
These issues are complex enough as it is... bringing agendas and emotions into it so far has made the problems worse, because people can't focus and make informed decisions.
Here's the missing *. I keep the right to make fun of people when their beliefs are self-inconsistent, or make them do clearly stupid things. Those who worship responsably get my respect.
PS: About the education thing. You still haven't admitted that the article was bad. Is that lack of education, pride, or what? My training in psych tells me that people caught in the problem might be too involved to be able to see a solution that's right in front of them. It also tells me that bringing emotions and false beliefs doesn't help resolve problems.
PSS: The best protection against false beliefs is to acknowledge that beliefs are nothing but beliefs, and to rely on the facts that you do have instead of on your beliefs.
07-06-2011, 18:06 #80