Public Opinion of Congress at an All-Time Low

[David Holtzman]

Nice how you're falsifying quotations despite MV's request not to. Irony is overrated when you've planted your flag on a false statement; partisanship is not the cause of the national debt.

If we were actually having a discussion I wouldn't dream of editing your posts. But we're not, instead I am mocking you for responding to a post calling for an end to partisan politics with some ridiculously partisan politics. You are partisan to the point of absurdity and I felt you could stand some mockery for it.

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More specifically, how can some credit institute based in America lower America's credit rating when it's not allowed to question the "validity of the public debt"?

The debt is the amount we owe (mostly to ourselves), the credit rating is the likelihood we'll make good on that obligation. They're just different things and the 14th doesn't cover credit ratings, so S&P is free to do as they will.

[Alaris]

I think debt and credit rating are related... if a new president for example could just decide not to pay for stuff (that was previously agreed upon) just because they don't agree with it, then the US credit rating would drop to nothing real fast.

[jmervyn]

In my statement above, I did not identify who I meant by "the rich". Calling it false seems premature.

It's false because while "the rich" could afford being taxed at a higher rate, not only will it not happen with any legitimacy ("the rich" are Progressive supporters and will either receive political exclusion or be allowed to safeguard their wealth) but the classification will be redefined to eventually bring the burden to rest on the middle class. False.

As for the rest, I'll address that when you actually find a more fitting word than "hate". You can't discuss political choices while so embedded in your own emotions.

You malign people who wish to be less fiscally irresponsible as loons, bigots, Flat Earthers, and IIRC fascists. That's hate, bud.

If we were actually having a discussion I wouldn't dream of editing your posts.

Oh sure.

You are partisan to the point of absurdity and I felt you could stand some mockery for it.

No, I just point to the insane partisanship of people like yourself and mock it, for which you'd like to see me gutted. Or have you forgotten that you decreed that the ACLU's founding and co-mingling with the Communist Party was of no relevance? Would you have said the same if the NSDAP had supported them? Insane partisanship.

[Erasmus]

Yet you hate the "teabaggers" and eagerly suck down the "tax the rich" jizz.

Good grief man. You have this fascination with semen metaphors. And you say the homosexuals are obscene...

[Alaris]

You malign people who wish to be less fiscally irresponsible as loons, bigots, Flat Earthers, and IIRC fascists. That's hate, bud.

It would be, except that I don't engage in namecalling. Or if I do, not nearly as much as you. Frankly, not enough to be worthy to mention.

So, back at you, bud.

[Erasmus]

He got really upset the David altered his quotes but he constantly puts words and intentions into people's mouths.

[Alaris]

He got really upset the David altered his quotes but he constantly puts words and intentions into people's mouths.

What's especially funny is that David changed J's quote to: "Blah blah blah I don't know what irony means."

Yo J, I heard you like irony, so I put irony in your irony, so you can iron while you iron.

[OhFrustration]

Good grief man. You have this fascination with semen metaphors. And you say the homosexuals are obscene...

He got really upset the David altered his quotes but he constantly puts words and intentions into people's mouths.

He called me a hypocrite.

[raspberry jam]

Yes; it's that the Feds don't have that right in the first place. But my understanding is that this portion simply means that you can't refuse to honor a dollar (or more importantly, Treasury Bond) on the basis that it isn't really worth what the Fed claims it to be. Vice-versa, the Fed can't refuse to honor the value of the dollar/bond, even though they won't give you anything valuable for it any longer.

So then you can basically print new money to pay off the debt? Sounds fishy to me, when other countries do that (some have tried), everything collapses.

The debt is the amount we owe (mostly to ourselves), the credit rating is the likelihood we'll make good on that obligation. They're just different things and the 14th doesn't cover credit ratings, so S&P is free to do as they will.

Mmm, ok. Thanks!

[Manwithtwohands]

I don't know why people be fighting over this stuff.
I'm pretty sure that the US economy is so sketchy right now because of how deep it's gotten into working with, and profiting off of, the perceived value of things.