2012 US Presidential Election

[Смерть]

I've already said my peace about the issue itself in another thread; but I do find it weird how they mentioned at the beginning it being part of every candidates talk in the primaries. I have heard little to none about the environment in the GOP debates so far.

[Gorani]

OK, please give the European a short update on the Republican front:
How are the current candidates seeing foreign affairs? Is that a topic right now, with the exception of getting troop out of Iraq & Afghanistan?
I have heard nothing from the candidates about the still lingering financial crisis (which the US has far from mastered) except Newt Gingrich talking about German dominance over the Euro.

[Alaris]

From what little I saw, they seem more concerned about lowering taxes, cutting Obamacare, creating jobs (by making the rich richer), going against gaay mariage, and being God-loving. They seem to be of different opinions regarding wars, but otherwise I have not heard of foreign affairs or environment.

[RD]

Ron Paul mentioned the financial crisis in his speech (which I posted - I also posted his plan to close the deficit). Most of the candidates have pledged to cut a few billion dollars throughout their term; Ron Paul wants to cut $1 Trillion in his first year (that's basically what we need).

On foreign policy, with the exception of Ron Paul, every single GOP candidate wants to start at least one new war (I believe they are all in the Middle East - surprise); one candidate (I believe it was Romney), even wants to send troops BACK to Iraq.

Basically, every GOP candidate wants to undo all the good Obama did, effectively making them unelectable in my (and I think a lot of others') eyes.

[Kael Valeran]

Wealth and Healthcare Inequality
You don't need obamacare, what you need is budget hospitals. Hospitals that deliver a the minimum but adequate level of care using non-patent, non-trial drugs with focus on teaching with significantly low cost as well. Of course, expect higher mortality rate but more affordable healthcare options. What people can do is to build donation hospitals or pauper's hospital. This was implemented by the british in particularly poor colonies funded by businessmen philantropists. Its a great idea and one we should implement so that the poor will have more options to cut spending. Likewise, the poor should also reduce fertility to 1, whilst the rich increase fertility to 3. This will allow poorer families to accumulate wealth. Incentives should be given for people to be sterilised if they are unable to support a family.

Education and employment
Jobs creation is easy, firstly, you need to start since a child is born. When a child is born, he should be influenced to have certain values and interests to take up certain jobs that is required. I do not mean brainwashing, but rather instill interest in industries where demand is higher. Making the job cooler so to speak. Although this may not work on a micro level because of individual differences, I can show that it will work on a macro level. University degrees should not be overly specialised but targetted at certain fields. If by any chance forecasted jobs are wrong, there can be mass conversion and retraining in such 'general fields' so that graduates will now fit the criteria for jobs. Universities should be penalised into hoaxing students into taking non-desirable degrees.

Job unavailability
Of course, non-suitability is one factor, lack of availability is another factor. This is due to two things, 1) There are too few jobs available. 2) There are too many people looking at jobs. There needs to be a multilevel approach and this is a difficult problem. Firstly, we need to identify the reason why products are cheaper overseas(no minimum wage, longer working hours, etc) and why jobs are moving overseas(Growth, desirability, increasing stability). What US can offer to investors is stability, not growth. Many people want to put money in areas that are stable, hence US needs to focus on creating a stable economy, stable job creation and stable rate of job seeker production. Long term planning is needed and will take about 4 years to adapt. To further promote stability, people need to consume less. Idiots will suggest that consuming less will impact jobs, but the greatest mistake is that it doesn't make any bloody difference if you are consuming goods 'made in china', stop listening to bloody lies. What we need to do is to consume less overall for sustainability, whilst promote purchasing goods made locally, despite very very slightly high prices. We need to study relative consumerism, and compare the consumer standards in other countries. Naturally, being competitive will solve unemployment problems, read next paragraph.

Competitiveness
There is always the need to push towards being self-sustainable. Renewable energy and vertical farming is one way to go. Data shows that US is a lead exporter solar power technology to china. Vertical farming claims to be economically and environmentally viable, but more studies are needed. However, it goes in line with good city planning, AKA integrated land use. Integrated land use supports vertical farming, reduces the need for transport(and thus price for local products and increase competitiveness) and promotes self sustainability. Old city plans were useful as it separates pollution from residential areas, but new industry standards mean that we can do what developing countries can only dream of and are unable to deliver high tech industrial manufacturing. Lets move to a future with new city planning standards and deliver standards that are more competitive than what developing countries can deliver.

One strategy countries like China are using to price out competitors is to sell at a loss whilst their workers work for free. There is no way US can outprice China. However, that doesn't mean that industry standards should be abandoned locally. The worst is already over, China has its own social unrest, population issues, pollution problems as well as stability issues that cannot continue until they increase wages. The worst thing to happen is to be economically and physically unequipped with manufacturing tools once standards improve in china and india and they become equally as competitive. By 1930, we will probably want to re-establish manufacturing locally and thus the above.

Policies and environment
Everyone should have an internet identity to vote, linked with your citizenship pass. In terms of making policies evidence based and logical, all politicians should be required to do good reading in research, not hire a writer to write nonsense in their scripts. There should be a 3-strikes law, whereby if one quotes false data without citing a proper reference, he will be forced to suffer the possibility of being voted out, via internet and all people with US citizenship will be invited to participate and ridicule his stupidity. With evidence based decision making, one can tell that environment and economy goes hand in hand in the long term. There is no quarrel here. What we need is integrated land use.

Conclusion
My plan is fool-proof and I should be running for president.

[RD]

Looks like we're finally finding out what Colbert is doing with his Super PAC and it is awesome.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/...omney-in-first

[Giggles]

@Kael I hope you're joking. If not, remind me to avoid your country if you win. I don't want to live in a place like that. It's very heavy handed and authoritarian. A number of your early points set up second class citizenship based off economic affluence. Which, for some people can be totally out of their control.

Hospitals that deliver a the minimum but adequate level of care using non-patent, non-trial drugs with focus on teaching with significantly low cost as well. Of course, expect higher mortality rate but more affordable healthcare options

No money? The society doesn't value you. No thanks. Go die somewhere on the street.

What people can do is to build donation hospitals or pauper's hospital.

Sorry, we can't treat you, we haven't had enough money come in this month.

Likewise, the poor should also reduce fertility to 1, whilst the rich increase fertility to 3. This will allow poorer families to accumulate wealth. Incentives should be given for people to be sterilised if they are unable to support a family.

This I find utterly offensive. Judging someones self worth based on economic viability. This is one of the things that I find most disturbing that's come out of the second world war. Trying to break everything down to numbers. You can't do that with many things, like people. We are all much more complex for this. Using this model, how are you going to put value on someone that's chosen a lesser paying job because it affords more freedom to look after a disabled member of their family? Or a dying member of their family? How about the same thing because they want to raise their kids instead of using some other form of child care? What about all the people who live in and can't get out areas that are destitute economically? They're now unwanted, unmutual? Using this idea and looking at how many black and hispanic people populate the US prison system, you're going to decimate the population in a couple of generations. How soon does this change towards forced sterilization?

Idiots will suggest that consuming less will impact jobs

If your country is built on a consumerist / dept model it will. If people aren't buying things all the time, market segments will go down. The west is built on consumerism and dept right now. The financial industry makes money by being in dept.

I do not mean brainwashing, but rather instill interest in industries where demand is higher.

This is brainwashing. You're forcing children into something they may not be interested in by manipulating their ideas. Decades ago when being left handed was a bad thing and those kids were forced to use their right hand had all kinds of problems. Many of them developed speech impediments like stuttering.

Everyone should have an internet identity to vote, linked with your citizenship pass.

Citizenship pass? This is sounds too close to a "papers please" society.

[Mehtis]

Not needing to have papers to vote is kind of a crazy thing, I have to say.

[Sir Jack]

OK, please give the European a short update on the Republican front:
How are the current candidates seeing foreign affairs? Is that a topic right now, with the exception of getting troop out of Iraq & Afghanistan?
I have heard nothing from the candidates about the still lingering financial crisis (which the US has far from mastered) except Newt Gingrich talking about German dominance over the Euro.

Apart from Ron Paul, thema-avond all advocate invading Iran the second they tilt their head funny. Their foreign economic plans or financial ideas in general don't seem to get a lot of attention, apart from populist speeches like creating jobs and lowering taxes. It's safe to consider them ultra-liberal though.

[Kael Valeran]

@Kael I hope you're joking. If not, remind me to avoid your country if you win. I don't want to live in a place like that. It's very heavy handed and authoritarian. A number of your early points set up second class citizenship based off economic affluence. Which, for some people can be totally out of their control.

If it affects you, it will no longer affect your children, also it actually gives a fighting chance to get to the top and reward is based on merit. None of it is authoritarian but transparent. It caters for people who are willing to change for the better and behave in the society. If we are to create a society for illegal immigrants and criminals, what kind of society will that be?

No money? The society doesn't value you. No thanks. Go die somewhere on the street.

Botulinium toxin is used to treat rigidity in disabled people. Phenol injection is also used to treat rigidity in disabled people. Phenol is cheaper, better and permanent(and very accurate at targetting specific nerves. Botox lasts only 4 months and expensive. Now, why is botox mainline treatment in US, you tell me... Many consultants in the UK are fighting recommendations in the US for many reasons. Don't fight me in my own field. A lot of surgical interventions done in third world countries are almost as equivalent as that in a modern country. With a single standard, medicine is market driven, not purpose driven. We want medicine to serve people, not markets.

Another example I saw was regarding a very common surgical presentation. Why should someone be given CT scan firstline for gallstones? It has poor sensitivity and exposes the patient to radiation. USS should be the way to go, it is cheap, and has no radiation risk, whilst being very accurate. If still in doubt, the patient should have a MRCP, not CT scan. Having experienced both types of healthcare systems, public free vs private/subsidised paid, I can conclude that most patients pay for stuff that are unnecessary.

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Wiki: The USA pays twice as much yet lags behind other wealthy nations in such measures as infant mortality and life expectancy. Currently, the USA has a higher infant mortality rate than most of the world's industrialized nations.[nb 1][9] In the United States life expectancy is 42nd in the world, after some other industrialized nations, lagging the other nations of the G5 (Japan, France, Germany, UK, USA) and just after Chile (35th) and Cuba (37th).[10]

That is the point of budget hospitals. You don't need a lot of money to really serve people, but you have been fed lies for so long that you don't believe me. Yes, its a bit more squeezy, we put more beds in one room, the beds may not be super comfy spring mattresses, but it has all the essentials you need to get treatment and get out ASAP.

Sorry, we can't treat you, we haven't had enough money come in this month.

I can quote you many examples that are very successful and only survived on donations. If you see how much money is actually put into africa by your richests philanthropists, this plan is actually very very feasible, too bad it steps on too many corporate toes and people don't believe in it.

This I find utterly offensive. Judging someones self worth based on economic viability. This is one of the things that I find most disturbing that's come out of the second world war. Trying to break everything down to numbers. You can't do that with many things, like people. We are all much more complex for this. Using this model, how are you going to put value on someone that's chosen a lesser paying job because it affords more freedom to look after a disabled member of their family? Or a dying member of their family? How about the same thing because they want to raise their kids instead of using some other form of child care? What about all the people who live in and can't get out areas that are destitute economically? They're now unwanted, unmutual? Using this idea and looking at how many black and hispanic people populate the US prison system, you're going to decimate the population in a couple of generations. How soon does this change towards forced sterilization?

Incentive requires consent. I do not propose force sterilisation. On the contrary, we want to make contraceptive options including permanent contraception affordable via incentives, whilst decreasing crime at the same time. My solution allows accumulation of wealth to a single child in poor families whilst support distribution of wealth in richer families. Population control is good, the problem with unemployment is two sided, 1) too many working class, 2) to little jobs.

If your country is built on a consumerist / dept model it will. If people aren't buying things all the time, market segments will go down. The west is built on consumerism and dept right now. The financial industry makes money by being in dept.

The west is built on consumerism of cheaper chinese products. How can consuming chinese products create jobs in your own country? Even delivery and importing jobs are given to foreigners. What on earth is wrong with your logic?! You need to increase local consumption, yet lower consumership(to ensure adequate supply, the price here is not the major concern)

This is brainwashing. You're forcing children into something they may not be interested in by manipulating their ideas. Decades ago when being left handed was a bad thing and those kids were forced to use their right hand had all kinds of problems. Many of them developed speech impediments like stuttering.

No it is not, it is limiting exposure. Some people are interested in different types of cigarettes, but if cigarettes didn't exist, then they would be interested in something else, maybe stamps.

Citizenship pass? This is sounds too close to a "papers please" society.

Only US citizens can voice the concerns of the people who live there. There is also a sense of belonging, patriotism and loyalty to the people, land and the system. When you pander to foreign immigrants or illegal immigrants and allow everyone to vote, you represent a group of uneducated people who can be manipulated in a democracy and democracy does not work without education.

I can cite papers for my reasoning if you need.