Lore unexplained

[Konig Des Todes]

why there is a ship in the water where Ascalon City was (I'm pretty sure there is a ship there, I hope I didn't just simply imagine seeing a mast and sails), and who some of the statues around Eir's home are in Hoelbrak and who some of the statues in Black Citadel are. There were obviously some familiar ones, Jora, Kalla Scorchrazor, and I think I remember seeing one of Pyre Fierceshot, and there were a few others too. But some of the other ones didn't seem familiar.

On the ship... that was a fairly small one and the basin has become relatively large - so it was probably for navigating faster down the Ascalon Basin (side note: just about every lake seems to have gotten much deeper in GW2, including some newly made lakes from the rise of Zhaitan).

The statues are all given names - in Eir's Homestead you see Jora, Snaff, Asgier (the norn who brought the rest south and founded Hoelbrak), her father, Knut Whitebear's wife (Gerta or something), and then one unknown. Don't recall any statues in Hoelbrak proper other than Jora... the statues in the Black Citadel all had names and descriptions of what those charr did attached - one was the father of one of the Iron Tribunes (and grandson of a GW1 boss - Ferro the Butcher), another was Kalla, there was at least two allies of Kalla's (Violo Raptorgaze and Ofela Soulcleave), and the rest... *checks image cache from BWE* Nox Darkheart who was the first charr to stand atop Ebonhawke's walls during the war, and Boles Deathrain who was some sort of super-archer for the Ash. Most of them were new figures to lore to give some historical feel to the race's past 250 years though, I believe.

Well, the map does clearly have an area marked "Sea of Janthir" and "Isles of Janthir". That's a hope.

Bay of Janthir, however both areas will not be accessible - as will a lot of those marked regions.



My current curiosity lies in the happenings of the Mists - the events of Godslost Swamp indicate that Grenth may not have strong control over the Underworld anymore.

[Rob Van Der Sloot]

My current curiosity lies in the happenings of the Mists - the events of Godslost Swamp indicate that Grenth may not have strong control over the Underworld anymore.

What would that mean for Dhuum's imprisonment? Without Grenth and his servants to keep Dhuum locked up... yikes...

[Gmr Leon]

It may very well be that while Grenth's control may have loosened (which this may not necessarily be an indication of entirely, of course), it's merely been in containing some of the creatures of the Underworld within its bounds. It may have no relationship to Dhuum's imprisonment, which would require deaths to be occurring in the Underworld itself for Dhuum to be in any major way influenced, as far as we know.

[Konig Des Todes]

Things add up to me regarding the Underworld and Dhuum.

• You have Godslost Swamp, which is the side-effects of the barrier between Tyria and the Mists weakening thanks to our GW1 UWSC teams going into the Mists too often (ironically, they also woke Dhuum - Anet has a thing to making those players out to be the ones who screwed us all over, eh?).
• You have in a corner of Blackroot Cut (a swamp in northeastern Kessex Hills), an "Eternal Portal" skill challenges where you can summon a small horde of Underworld creatures (2-3 portals also spawn and can be destroyed around it too, summoning shades and aatxes). Side note: The Eternal Portal cannot be destroyed.
• You have the lack of resurrection (and we know how Dhuum felt about that).
• And you have your "unknown, unmerciful evil" that's invading the Mists (lore of WvW).

I wouldn't doubt Dhuum broke free.

And it should be noted that Icebrood are also invading the Mists thanks to the Sons of Svanir.

My question remains this: How does the temple of Grenth fair? I wouldn't doubt it's overrun with Underworld creatures too, though at a lesser extent than Godslost Swamp - perhaps for the same reasons (weakening of barriers due to traversing, but a lesser weakening due to fewer traversings).

[kburt]

Things add up to me regarding the Underworld and Dhuum.

• You have Godslost Swamp, which is the side-effects of the barrier between Tyria and the Mists weakening thanks to our GW1 UWSC teams going into the Mists too often (ironically, they also woke Dhuum - Anet has a thing to making those players out to be the ones who screwed us all over, eh?).
• You have in a corner of Blackroot Cut (a swamp in northeastern Kessex Hills), an "Eternal Portal" skill challenges where you can summon a small horde of Underworld creatures (2-3 portals also spawn and can be destroyed around it too, summoning shades and aatxes). Side note: The Eternal Portal cannot be destroyed.
• You have the lack of resurrection (and we know how Dhuum felt about that).
• And you have your "unknown, unmerciful evil" that's invading the Mists (lore of WvW).

I wouldn't doubt Dhuum broke free.

And it should be noted that Icebrood are also invading the Mists thanks to the Sons of Svanir.

My question remains this: How does the temple of Grenth fair? I wouldn't doubt it's overrun with Underworld creatures too, though at a lesser extent than Godslost Swamp - perhaps for the same reasons (weakening of barriers due to traversing, but a lesser weakening due to fewer traversings).

Not to discount the above, but, after playing those areas and the one sylvari settlement area in the swamps I kind of got the impression it was from the elder dragon Zaitan's (or other elder dragons) influence. Though I haven't been able to find anything yet that would indicate whether Zaitan's sphere of influence extends to the mists, or not. I just keep thinking about the description of the Mist from GW1 that states that the Mist has links to everything in the physical world??? I am curious if Zaitan may be the cause of some of the items mentioned in this thread, such as a weakening of Grenth's power over the underworld???

I don't want to turn this into another power of the gods vs elder dragons thread, we already have an old one for that, just a thought.....:o)

[harniq]

Lore unexplained:
- the complete lineage between emperor Kaineng and the dude who shut off cantha, preferably with intermarriages between the different houses of Doric
- exact numbers (hehe) of people in Kryta at 22 AE including guidelines how they should arrange their tents
- obviously the giganticus lupicus, and why it translates into great giants instead of wolf giants (were wolf giants? norn???)
- a detailed tree of life linking all sentient species in tyria together with other mammals and amphibious creatures (for hylek, is that a frogman or a hufrog?)
- an official statement that humans in Tyria are actually the same humans from our world and how they are linked
- is there a way to travel the mists mechanically and is there an absolute speed limit c?
- whether becoming a real lich, not just a form, is a conscious decision or a side effect of strong magic. Can this be manipulated?
- why did Evennia hit first?
- if infusion protects against mursaat, would it also make for a mursaat anticonceptive?
- are the 6 gods pro-choice or pro-life? Which are on which side or do they vote by majority? What in case of a tie?
- how are balance changes perceived in the game world, what does grenth think of dying nightmares?
- is hard mode just a mechanic or explained in lore? There seem to be ritualists living only in hard mode so there's a grey area here
- is the Commando canon or just a joke, since it would be silly to have an expansion based on an april's fools joke. Better establish this outside of the event
- do people perceive the different worlds in WvWvW in the same way they perceive map travel?
- how is the durmand priory related to the blood of grenth's illegitimate son? Did this son travel to Kryta and did he really mix blood with the house of Salma?
- the vizier raises a ship at the end of that one mission, was this ship sunk by mursaat, margonites or was it actually an inside job?

soooo many plot holes.