Of Giganticus Lupicus

First off: It's great to see you back Teh Monkeys, especially considering several of your threads here have had longstanding effects even after your leave. (This thread, and Memoirs of a Heretic especially.)

Regarding the Giganticus Lupicus bones in Eye of the North, it's rather difficult to say, with their placement, whether or not they may have once been submerged in water. For instance, we see a ribcage in a cavern on the east side of Rata Sum, as I recall, but it's not nearly close enough to any body of water for it to have been submerged. The only water near it is a river flowing through a steep canyon, after all.

There are also rib cages in the second level of the Arachni's Haunt dungeon, as well, but given their positioning it looks almost as if they had been moved there to me.



I also want to say that one can find a ribcage in the caverns in northern Drakkar Lake as well, but I'm not sure, as I just ran through there the first few times and glanced around.

Originally Posted by Gmr Leon

First off: It's great to see you back Teh Monkeys, especially considering several of your threads here have had longstanding effects even after your leave. (This thread, and Memoirs of a Heretic especially.)

Yeah I was surprised to see how long my threads kept going after I left, hehe. Is Quintus still around or has that silly minister finally given up on his rantings about mursaat? :p

Regarding the Giganticus Lupicus bones in Eye of the North, it's rather difficult to say, with their placement, whether or not they may have once been submerged in water. For instance, we see a ribcage in a cavern on the east side of Rata Sum, as I recall, but it's not nearly close enough to any body of water for it to have been submerged. The only water near it is a river flowing through a steep canyon, after all.

Well, as for the cave, there were multiple GL bones found inside caves and glaciers inside of the Shiverpeaks.

Also stop the presses. Skeletons were found in the Maguuma Jungle area? Any idea how many? And by ribcage I assume similar ribcages to the ones found in the crystal desert.

There are also rib cages in the second level of the Arachni's Haunt dungeon, as well, but given their positioning it looks almost as if they had been moved there to me.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/images/0/0...2_bone_pit.jpg

I also want to say that one can find a ribcage in the caverns in northern Drakkar Lake as well, but I'm not sure, as I just ran through there the first few times and glanced around.

This image is very interesting. Compare the bone struture of the spine with the spine found in the crystal desert and the underworld. Particularly the difference in space inbetween the vertebrae.




As you can see, that spinal cord does not even begin to resemble the spinal cord on the underworld specimen (but because I am unable to determine the size of the ribcage in that cave, I can't really rule it out.), and there is a distinct difference in the shape of the spinal cord in the cave and the spinal cords found in the crystal desert. We might have found another subspecies, or at the very least a very new part of the spine for either one of the two confirmed subspecies. I would be very interested to know whether or not there is a skull (or anything resembling a skull, really) in this cave.

Regardless of whether or not the bones were just placed there, the spinal cord and the ribcage are intact. Is it possible to get a screenshot of that pile of bones with a character inscreen, as a reference point for determining the size or the bones for comparison with the other screenshots?

Originally Posted by teh Monkeys

Yeah I was surprised to see how long my threads kept going after I left, hehe. Is Quintus still around or has that silly minister finally given up on his rantings about mursaat? :p

More or less. He stops in every now and then shooting me a, how are things, PM, but aside from that, he's not active at all here anymore.

Originally Posted by Teh Monkeys

Also stop the presses. Skeletons were found in the Maguuma Jungle area? Any idea how many? And by ribcage I assume similar ribcages to the ones found in the crystal desert.

Yes. No. And I'll have to look into it, the skeletons are conveniently placed near some irritatingly ferocious Raptor Nestlings.

Originally Posted by Teh Monkeys

I would be very interested to know whether or not there is a skull (or anything resembling a skull, really) in this cave.

Regardless of whether or not the bones were just placed there, the spinal cord and the ribcage are intact. Is it possible to get a screenshot of that pile of bones with a character inscreen, as a reference point for determining the size or the bones for comparison with the other screenshots?

I've never actually been down there myself, so I can't say whether or not there's a skull, but there may be. And as to your last question, I imagine it is, but again, I haven't been down there myself so I can't say with certainty. It'd definitely be worth the trip to check into both of those questions, though.

Originally Posted by teh Monkeys

Also stop the presses. Skeletons were found in the Maguuma Jungle area? Any idea how many? And by ribcage I assume similar ribcages to the ones found in the crystal desert.

There are two spots I can think of at the top of my head. I don't think there are any in Shards of Orr, or any in the area north of Kryta (Verdant Cascased/Volxen Excavations). The two spots are Arachni's Haunt (only the final nest area can be considered canon) - which does have spinal cords like the ones in the desert, and in fact the only true spinal cord we see. There are no skulls to my memory, though. The second spot is the raptor cave - which seems to have one spinal cord as well as smaller ribcages - most likely fello dino bones though for the smaller ones.

Originally Posted by teh Monkeys

As you can see, that spinal cord does not even begin to resemble the spinal cord on the underworld specimen

The one in the Underworld actually uses a kind of bone which is more resemblent of a tail than a spinal cord. It can be seen in the Bone Pits and two spots in the Desolation. In the Desolation and Bone Pits, they are free and waving about in the wind.

Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

The one in the Underworld actually uses a kind of bone which is more resemblent of a tail than a spinal cord. It can be seen in the Bone Pits and two spots in the Desolation. In the Desolation and Bone Pits, they are free and waving about in the wind.

I'd take another look at what Teh Monkeys is referring to in that part of his post. See his picture of the skeleton in the pit outside of the Bone Pits that he has posted for what I imagine he is talking about and comparing to.

Mainly, this:

Originally Posted by Gmr Leon

I'd take another look at what Teh Monkeys is referring to in that part of his post. See his picture of the skeleton in the pit outside of the Bone Pits that he has posted for what I imagine he is talking about and comparing to.

I know what he was talking about. For that Giganticus Lupicus in the Underworld (assuming it is one even) the spinal cord is the same model as the four (or five) "spire" like bone structures which sway in the Bone Pits - which is also found in mass in Shattered Ravines and even more in numbers in the northwestern part of Poisoned Outcrops.

Do note, it is hard to tell the difference from the angle of the picture, but look at it from the other end of the pit, and it is easy to tell.

I'll see if I have any pictures...

Just checked, and I do have one of the spire-like bones, but not of another angle of the above picture:



As you can see, the "tips" of the back of the spire-like bones are the same as the "spine" for the pit Giganticus Lupicus.

Due to the shape and connection of the bones, I had always assumed those to be tails, or at least how I would imagine tail bones - and are always seen in groups.

Perhaps the Giganticus Lupicus had multiple tails?

Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

As you can see, the "tips" of the back of the spire-like bones are the same as the "spine" for the pit Giganticus Lupicus.

Due to the shape and connection of the bones, I had always assumed those to be tails, or at least how I would imagine tail bones - and are always seen in groups.

Perhaps the Giganticus Lupicus had multiple tails?

Hmm...I've always believed those tails/spinal cords to be a species of Torment Claws..something like that. The bony tails of most creatures that have them tend to appear as an inverted portion of their spine...those tails don't match the spines of that Underworld specimen OR the Crystal Desert ones.