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Old 07-03-2006, 05:13   #81
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Regarding the argument that reptilians have never grown horns, keep in mind I was under the assumption that these things were entirely unique. Besides, look at the artwork for various asian dragons. Very pronounced almost antler-like horns.

As for diet, that crack about Glint not wanting to be dinner was a joke anyway. Considering how big these things are, the tusks could be a territorial/mating tool. Then again, look at the size. The teeth might be just for show, since something that big could probably swallow whole anything it might want to eat. You gonna yell at a 900 foot long serpent, 'you cant eat me, you dont have teeth like a carnivore does?' But yes, diet is a little sketchy, especially with something bigger than has ever been alive on our planet.

And the aquatic? I was shooting for size. Legs could not even begin to support the weight or length on land, and while airborn might work, it just doesn't seem to fit for some reason. So I am left with aquatic life.
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Old 07-03-2006, 13:19   #82
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Regarding the argument that reptilians have never grown horns, keep in mind I was under the assumption that these things were entirely unique. Besides, look at the artwork for various asian dragons. Very pronounced almost antler-like horns.
Reptiles don't have horns? Two words: Horned Lizard.
http://www.eitangrunwald.com/TX5-04/...nedLizard2.jpg

Also for reference, here is a picture of a chameleon with horns.
http://i.timeinc.net/time/potw/20020927/chameleon.jpg

And let's not forget everyone's favorite dinosaur: Triceratops.
http://www.dinosauria.com/gallery/chris/triceratops.jpg

As you can see, a variety of reptiles, both extinct and moden have horns. In fact, mammals and reptiles are the only two species that have pronounced horns. Although, some insects have horn-like appendages, as well as isolated species of bird. Some species of fish could even be argued to have "horns", if you count the spiney protrusions on their heads as horns, or horn-like.
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Old 07-03-2006, 13:35   #83
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I never said reptiles never had horns. I said horns are a trait shared mostly by herbivors (yes, I know there are carnivorous creatures with horns aswell.) And I said the only creatures that have have grown tusks are mammals.
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Old 07-03-2006, 16:15   #84
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Hmm.. if u ask me. I would say that YES. Mammals such as warthogs and elephants are the ones usually the ones kommonly known that grows tusks.

And i would like to kontinus on about the fins and wings in the murals of Ascalon. Depiction and Human komprehension.. may help us understand better bout these GL's. Yes.. i may find it possible to some extent that the Gl may have the power of flight. But wat i wanna know is about its weight.. Something of that mass needs a very large wingspan. And if did take flight, it would need immense amount of energy output to maintain balance, even if the bones are hollow, which are one of the living factors why kreatures fly. <like the pterodactyls.. or is that how u spell'em?> Anyways...the point is that If it had to maintain flying altitude, it must be lighter than air.. and GL aint ur.. "light as feather" kind of kreature..... So how did it fly?

My theory is that, When we saw the bones in the catatombs or anywhere, I did notice that the ribcage was immensely huge, But u probably thinkin, "so wat?.. its a GL."... ahh.. But thats more than that.. I did research of elements lighter than air.. one of them, Methane. Its lighter than air. Perhaps the way it flew was that it had a pair of extra lungs that primarly stores methane gas that it digested from its food. So thats probably how it flew.

And thats my hypothesis. Think about it.

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Old 07-03-2006, 18:17   #85
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Hmm.. if u ask me. I would say that YES. Mammals such as warthogs and elephants are the ones usually the ones kommonly known that grows tusks.

And i would like to kontinus on about the fins and wings in the murals of Ascalon. Depiction and Human komprehension.. may help us understand better bout these GL's. Yes.. i may find it possible to some extent that the Gl may have the power of flight. But wat i wanna know is about its weight.. Something of that mass needs a very large wingspan. And if did take flight, it would need immense amount of energy output to maintain balance, even if the bones are hollow, which are one of the living factors why kreatures fly. <like the pterodactyls.. or is that how u spell'em?> Anyways...the point is that If it had to maintain flying altitude, it must be lighter than air.. and GL aint ur.. "light as feather" kind of kreature..... So how did it fly?

My theory is that, When we saw the bones in the catatombs or anywhere, I did notice that the ribcage was immensely huge, But u probably thinkin, "so wat?.. its a GL."... ahh.. But thats more than that.. I did research of elements lighter than air.. one of them, Methane. Its lighter than air. Perhaps the way it flew was that it had a pair of extra lungs that primarly stores methane gas that it digested from its food. So thats probably how it flew.

And thats my hypothesis. Think about it.

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I do not believe that the methane-lung hypothesis is correct, as you are neglecting the fundamental principles of flying creatures.

Wingspan has very little to do with flight ability. The only advantage to having a greater wingspan would be the creature would be able to glide more efficently. Smaller wingspans would cause the creature to have to flap more to keep aloft. If the creature was in fact a flying creature, it would weigh significantly less than its size would suggest. Flying creatures contain a skeletal structure composed of light-weight hollow bones. Also, the creature would have the ability to glide on thermals of warm air. Remember, warm air rises, thus, the creature, regardless of size, could sail comfortably on a lift cushion. Don't neglect the properties of lift dynamics, employed by both natural things, such as birds, and man-made objects, such as airplanes. The latter weighing many tons more than the former and still being able to fly.

Furthermore, the overall weight and complexity of a methane bladder system as connected to a digestive tract system, would actually add weight to the creature, impeding its flight even further. Also, methane, being highly combustable, would create a very unstable creature. If overheated or exposed to open flame, the creature would explode. Not very efficent at all.
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Old 07-03-2006, 22:04   #86
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We haven't recovered a full skeleton yet, so who's to say they didn't have some sort of shoulder. Also, because we have no real basis for comparison on Earth, we don't know the exact way the wings would attach.

I seriously doubt those murals are of Forgotten. The Forgotten don't have wing, and have four arms. That thing is flying, and has no arms.
I think Forgotten have some small wings left, like they lost them over time (probably hard to fly in the desert with all the crystals), and the bones turned into arms.

Well, I think we can't really say what that creature is.

The GL dissapeared ~10 000 years before the exodus. The Forgotten dissapeared a few years after the humans arrived.
The drawing can be either of the following:
A) A scetch made of the Forgotten a long time ago, or what the Ascalonians think the Forgotten look like
B) What people (ascalonians/ Elonians if they migrated as being though in the desert topic) think the creatures were they found bones of in the desert. Remeber when humans first discovered dinosaur bones? Even today we're mostly guessing what the looked like.

However, seeing as Anet used the same image in the Lore, I'm more thinking towards A...

From the ones found now, the GL do not resemble any creature found on Tyria. At best, they look like giant snakelike creatures, both aquatic and land based. It could be the Burrowers are distant nephew though. They still appear in the desert, are common in the Jungle (wet terrain), and there is an ancient Guardian who's rather big guarding the HoD. They are also snakelike and seem to have a similar head structure.
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Old 08-03-2006, 00:57   #87
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And let's not forget everyone's favorite dinosaur: Triceratops.
http://www.dinosauria.com/gallery/chris/triceratops.jpg
Slightly off-topic, we don't know for sure now that dinosaurs are actually reptiles. There's a huge debate over whether dinosaurs were cold or warm blooded.
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Old 08-03-2006, 01:28   #88
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Slightly off-topic, we don't know for sure now that dinosaurs are actually reptiles. There's a huge debate over whether dinosaurs were cold or warm blooded.
They are still in Familia Reptilia, I believe.

Either way, it is beside the point. The creature in question was probably warm-blooded. It'd have to be to sustain flight and be more than a catatonic lump most of the day like most lizards. Also, the Forgotten, while reptillian, are most certainly warm-blooded. They have to be to stand upright and move about like they do.

The images I provided were merely to show that the notion of reptiles being hornless is false, and that it is completely plausible for a reptile to have horns.
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Old 08-03-2006, 03:54   #89
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And if did take flight, it would need immense amount of energy output to maintain balance
Or to simply have a lower average density than air, but for that to happen to a creature of such size, they'd have to have one hell of a lot of air sacs or whatever it is that allows blimps to fly.

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Old 08-03-2006, 14:23   #90
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now im not the best lore expert and thinking of starting my research but I think that the reason the supposed GL in UW has teeth because maybe the dark magic of the UW tainted the GL like the minos might have got stuck there too and turned into those dark things and the edilion like things as well
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